COMMUNAL LIVING: FUTURE OF WELLNESS? | "THE WELLZEST PODCAST" WITH MARAT OMAROV

[00:00:04] Speaker A: Hi everyone and welcome back to the Wells has podcast. You are in for more than a treat today. I am thrilled because I have Murat Omerov who is here with me from the arc. Murat is a visionary, a game changer. Let me tell you a little bit about Marat. So Marat is a visionary founder of the Ark, a regenerative wellness village in Costa Rica that redefines how we live and thrive together. Our. After a successful career leading global scale projects, including being recognized by the president of Kazakhstan for his leadership at Expo 2017, Atsana Murat shifted his focus from systems of performance to systems of purpose. Now he's building the ARC as a real world blueprint for intentional, profitable and deeply human living. Combining regenerative design, shared ownership models and conscious community, building the ARC isn't a dream, it's already happening. Murat brings a rare combination of grounded execution and visionary clarity. And today he's here to share the story behind the arc, the challenges of pioneering a new model of living, and why he believes we're ready for a post capitalistic future that actually works. Murat, wow. Wow. I'm so excited to have you on the podcast. Wow. So many cool things. Like, we were just kind of getting into the juiciness before the show. I mean, incredible. And the ARC just looks stunning. Like, literally like a magical place. Like amazing, amazing. So cool to see your vision come to life. [00:01:43] Speaker B: Thank you so much. Thank you. I'm so excited for this conversation. [00:01:46] Speaker A: Me too. So jazzed. You know, I think what's really interesting about you, as I've done research on you and learned about your background, is where you came from to what you're creating now. So you pretty much, you know, you had national recognition, prestige, the success, like all of the, I'll call them, trappings. And, you know, you have shifted your life into such a new, beautiful place. You're on such a profound mission. Walk me through what happened. Like, what was the first crack in the facade? You're like, hey, I've done, you know, I've checked all the boxes, I've done all the things, I've got the awards, but I'm actually living someone else's truth. [00:02:34] Speaker B: Yeah, thank you. That's a. There was. There was no exact moment, to be honest, but at the same time, everything that was happening was preparing me and everything. I also want to say, you know, I really feel very uncomfortable speaking always about me. It's funny enough to be guest on the podcast and be starting from that, but it is so. And I don't know how deep esoteric or how much we're going to frighten your audience from this show. I hope not. And I hope we're just going to create more. [00:03:15] Speaker A: That's what we're here for. [00:03:15] Speaker B: Attention. I believe whatever is happening is not me or you or anyone else, but I believe truly that this is just the universe, that we all are just this physical representation of what is unfolding and what is happening in the universe. And there is no, there is no. There is no me. So like whenever I. I just want to say to everybody who's listening or watching this, it's just like whenever I'm going to be referring to me, there is, there is zero my achievements in anything that has happened. Everything is just unfolding through me. And it's not a posed humility. I truly believe so. And it's nothing. What's happening good or bad or whatever we market is nothing done by me. So anyway, so I believe. Thank you. Thank you for this because otherwise I feel always uncomfortable of like talking about myself and what I just. [00:04:12] Speaker A: Sorry one I. What a profound way to look at things. And I think you're in good company because that's very much about the Wells s, you know, ethos, is that, you know, everything comes from creation. We're all creation. And you know, I love and you. And just even the way that you talk about the arc, it's embodied, which is so beautiful. [00:04:28] Speaker B: Thank you so much. Thank you. So I believe there was no specific moment, but at the same time, everything that was happening in my life, I'm 42 at the moment. Everything that was happening was kind of self preparing and bringing all traumas and conditioning on programming and everything, all successes, all failures, all, everything was kinda pulling the universes were kinda like, I'm cooking you. I'm cooking you. You're getting somewhere where I honestly, it would be such a big lie if I would tell you like, you know, Teju, yeah. There was this perfect moment when I knew exactly that I'm living and I'm going to do something that I'm doing now. It's going to be such a huge lie because I knew nothing. And I will lie to you if I tell that I know something, but I knew nothing and I know nothing. But I just felt all my life that there is a voice inside there was a voice and there is still a voice. And this voice is becoming louder and louder and that voice was constantly saying that this is not for me and there is something else and I just have to go on that some Sort of a quest. And there was no quest of, like, you know, for whatever. Like, there was no path that, like in a computer game, you know, that the hero has to go towards certain direction. There was no, like, you know, there was. There is a dragon and you have to go and slay the dragon and save a princess. No, there was never, never that. There was always, like, something and it was not relatable towards, like, you know, oh, like the way we live or the way the. How we relate. There was just like, something like, there has to be some more kind of authenticity and honesty and sincerity in the way we're doing things and the way we're creating and the way we're relating and creating whatsoever. And it was never whatever I was getting myself into. I was blessed enough while living in Kazakhstan and by dedicating myself towards the projects that I truly felt in the moment that they felt important. And I believed that I was doing things that were truly a calling. And they also did created me in a sense. And then there were moments when I was not. I was truly thinking, by being in governmental work and or partially in politics, that I was thinking that, oh, I want. I want to get inside, because I want to influence from inside and change things. And then I realized that that's not the way. And I could not. And I'm just. I don't know what's needed a big reset button. And I'm not saying specifically about Kazakhstan at all. I'm just saying in general about the global order. And I think now when you looking at the United States, you can say, oh, politics cannot be changed from inside. Because it's not about personalities. It's about the system in itself. Right? [00:07:43] Speaker A: Totally. Totally. I couldn't agree more. [00:07:46] Speaker B: And this is like, every person from any country can relate because we all see that the model in general is not. It's dysfunctional and it's not about personalities. It's very easy to make somebody a villain in the story. But the thing is that this whole system, how it was created, how it's like layer after layer after layer, it just became dysfunctional and unworkable. And whoever gets inside of the system, they're just becoming parts of the system, parts of that whole. And for me, it was just like, when I tried and I stepped inside, I just realized that I won't be able to do it. And it's not for me. And I just like it. I just had to step out into that quest towards something which became the ark. And it's also not. I believe and I want to think so. It's not the final destination. And I don't know what holds life holds further for me, but I truly believe that the Ark is an important stone. And this foundation of authenticity with which we're approaching things in. In creation of the Ark. [00:08:55] Speaker A: I love that. So many great things to unpack there. There's one thing that really stuck with me. You talked about system and especially systems and politics. You know, I do think that there is. It's very easy to, you know, and people can take this the way that they want to. To point out someone, a politician, a leader in government, whatever it may be, and say, hey, you're the problem. Some cases they are. Let's just call it like it is. But I love that you said that sometimes people get into the system and they become a part of that. What do you think it is about the systems that we've set up to govern, whether it's healthcare, whatever it may be, the systems that are supposed to actually guide human life? What are the issues? What creates this architecture where we're struggling? It's fundamentally flawed. What are the elements that we just haven't been able to figure out, hey, there's a better way for us to move through the world to create systems of people that would be more productive. It feels like we just. We haven't been able to figure it out. And I'm trying to figure out what's the root cause of this. Like, why is this so hard? [00:10:06] Speaker B: I think, you know, that's such a great question. Thank you so much. And then we can unpack so much. All this show can be just about that. And I'll be so happy if we just stay in that subject, because I love this subject. The thing is that I believe what we have to look at is that the system is. And that this is going to be a big surprise, maybe is actually or was executing its function. If you see who has created the system, then it executing its function. And who has created the system. It's the minority which was dominating. It's the dominance of a man over woman, of a few, over many of different races, over others. So if you think that people who created this system, and if you look at the system, the system is actually working for them. It's just we are now, as a majority of people, we're like, wait a second. That system is not working for fairly. This system is created to suppress certain demographics by whatever differentiation on gender, race, nationality whatsoever, or a region in which kind of family you were born. And this system is not taking Nature in them as an equal stakeholder. This system is disempowering people through educational systems. So actually the system was functioning for quite good some time for certain purposes. And now we are stepping in and that's again like, you know, again, I'm coming back and now I believe I'm going to be coming back a lot to this analogy and the understanding of how things work. The thing is that the way I personally want to believe, and I know that maybe you also believe like this, and I know that many of us believe like this, that the way the universe is operating, the frequency, the way it's like now turning things upside down. Why? Because it's taking us towards this all encompassing unconditional love, which is the moving force of the universe. And that system cannot withstand that because it was not built with love in place. It was built with greed. It was built with unequality. It was built to benefit few over many. And the cyst and now the universe, the actual energy of the universe and the moving force is just like breaking it up. And it's like an iceberg. It's just not cracking anymore. And the powers who were holding this system, who were created, have created the system. They're trying to grab more. But the situation now is like, like looks like a wet soap in the sense that the more they try to squeeze it, the more it just jumps out. [00:12:51] Speaker A: I see that analogy so clearly, right? [00:12:55] Speaker B: And they're like trying to hold it everywhere and they, they kind of perceive that the more control, the more they gonna squeeze. But the more they're squeezing, the more it jumps out. And that's where we live. And that's where people like you like people like me, people like other people who feel the calling. And when we say that this calling is inside and we say like, I'm going to go against the, against the flow. I'm just going not, I'm not going to conform. I'm going to listen to my heart and I'm going to do things from sincerity and authenticity. And I might not yet know what it is, but I'm not going to sell myself for a dollar. I'm just going to go independently of how the finances are going to look like, But I'm going to create something from the heart. And then whenever this is happening, the more of us are going to be doing this, the more this system is going to be collapsing. Because also that is like, this is the personal empowerment and freedom of each individual. And this system is not designed for that. It's designed for obedience, for A bit. [00:13:56] Speaker A: You know, I love that you said that because I was actually in a. In a conversation with a group of friends and the term patriarchy kept coming up versus matriarchy. I would love for you to. What did those terms mean to you? I feel like on the Instagram, on the TikTok and all the things, like, I keep seeing people talk about, you know, what systems would look like if they were, you know, grounded in matriarchy and more of that feminine energy versus patriarchy, which people say that that's really the core of the system that we are now. I would love your lens on those, both of those terms, what they mean. [00:14:33] Speaker B: Thank you. That's a great, good question. I believe that definitely patriarchy is like, that's what created it, right? Like, and the dominance of male or female is what built this world, right? It's just like the provider. And then immediately the financial kind of abundance became the thing, and women got disempowered. And what we've seen, and I think it's a lot is, like, happening. And this is a very simplified situation, right? What we've seen a lot, which was happening in the maybe 90s, beginning of 2000s, you know, when the pendulum, kind of the swing of the pendulum went into this side of feminism, which is not a matriarchy, but it was like, kind of making women men. And that was wrong, right? And then, like, when I'm so grateful to see and happy to see that now it's coming back into the middle, but it was also a normal process. Like, when something is getting suppressed for so long, then it's getting loose, and it's just like, hits another side, another. Another side of the pendulum with the same force. And then the pendulum comes in the middle slowly, like, you know, swings back. So I believe we went back now from that pendulum of feminism when women became men. Like, you know, girls were, like, wearing pants and, like, you know, just becoming super achievers. And now it's coming back. And I believe the truth is in the middle. And both energies are extremely important for the creativity and for creation. And I'm recently, very freshly, in this beautiful feeling of love that I, for the first time in my 42 years, I experienced finally what it is to feel love rather than to think that you love. And it's, I believe, for any man, it's an insane achievement in life, like, for us to finally feel with the heart and not feel, try to feel through the head and this dance that. And I'm very mental. And so, like, for me, being in the Heart is a lot of job, a lot of work. And I finally see how this, how two energies are kind of intertwined and how women. When a woman feels supported and taken, not taking care of, it's a very bad. I'm very conscious about wording because we can, I swear in your podcast. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we fucked up a lot of words in the human evolution. And I don't want to say like a woman taking care of and. Because taking care of sounds very wrong. So when a woman feels supported and held in a sense when a woman feels safe and then a woman can start achieving and producing and reaching out from a very different perspective when she feels like this soft power with which soft like you know, with which is. It's not like achiever like a man, but it's like, you know, it's an embracing softness which invites to which people want to lean into. And then how we as men, we are like also feeling this kind of support that like, you know, when I always feel like I'm like a wall in a sense behind her and like I'm like this kind of protective shield and she's my soft blanket. So like, you know, and when I feel like, you know, like, so I'm like, I'm there like to protect her from all the like you harshness of life. And, and whenever I fall, I feel like, oh, I just like falling into this like soft. And I'm like, ah, that's so nice. And, and I believe this creation that has. Has to happen. It's not one or the other, but it's. These are both. You know, when we are together co creating from the same kind of thing. And of course we can go from. With matriarchy and, and it's true, right? Like it's Mother Earth. We never say it's Father Earth, right? It's Mother Earth. So like it's matriarchy is. It's, it's the, it's. It's the root right of like everything that's women who are giving birth, you're the ones who are, who are prolonging life and we're participating there to a certain extent. And, and I believe there has to be like both. We have to find the constant dance between feminine and feminine and masculine within us and to learn this eternal dance and internal balance. And definitely I would like personally to see more women in, in. I don't want to say in power because again it's gonna sound so wrong. But women leading with a softness, not leading as men, you know, and then if, if this Is because this is also a big challenge. And it's not a challenge. I don't want to say it's a big challeng women. It's. It's a challenge for women in power to operate from that space because again, the space was created by men for men. [00:19:47] Speaker A: Exactly, exactly. You know, and I actually want to say, because when you talk about feminism and kind of the. How the pendulum swung and there was a stage where people were, you know, kind of women were, okay, I need to emulate the man in the boardroom. And like, that's the. To me. And I've always struggled with this, you know, because I feel like feminism has been demonized in our society when there were really actually positive things like advocating for, you know, equality of wages, advocating for, you know, women to have more opportunities in different types of jobs. And, you know, it could on and on and on and on. But I do feel like the system dictated what feminine leadership needed to look like. You need to be. And you see it all the time. You need to be dressed like this or women, you know, coming with, you know, like vibrancy and whatnot. Oh, you're not taken seriously because you're not, you know, and we've seen this talk track over and over again, oh, you're too beautiful to lead or you're too this, or you need to dress down and not. Cause, you know. And I agree with you when I'll say that it seems like finally the pendulum is swinging where that softness is rich and valued, and we're starting to recognize what that is and what that does to shift societies and communities and how it changes the way that, you know, the way that we show up, the way that we think about systems, that it's not this. It's more of a collective and an opening. Do you feel like we're in the peak of the resistance? Because I hear people, you know, all the time, like, everyone's like, this is a mess, you know, especially with stuff that's going on in the United States. Do you feel like we're in the peak of that resistance? If you were to kind of predict where we are in the. In the wave and we're about to come out on the other side. [00:21:54] Speaker B: I believe that we are in inversion point where the civilization that the system has already collapsed, to be honest. And I believe this collapse that has happened with COVID pandemic was that triggered that finally, like, you know, that was the reset button. And I always. And this is like, you know, this has collapsed now the new civilization is Happening. And I believe that I always like to bring in the knowledge of history books. You know, when we were reading about, I don't know, the collapse of Roman Empire, and it would be like one page in a history book, but it took like, I don't know, 400 years. You know, so, like, how many lives, how many destinies? How many? Like, and it was like a collapse and collapse. And then like in the history book, you're like. And then the Roman Empire collapsed, you're like, okay, yeah, exactly. So in the history of the planet and even of the human civilization, like, what's happening now? Just like it's like 10, 20, 40, 50 years. This is so insignificant. It's just we are living and we're boiling in this pot. So therefore we're feeling. But I believe it already has happened and the process is irreversible. And I think it's just going to be happening more and more and more. And unfortunately, one thing I personally believe is that we haven't yet seen the hard collapse. You know, the hard collapse, which is going to involve, unfortunately, a lot of innocent lives, like loss of a lot of innocent lives. And unfortunately, there are going to be more and more severe events happening, including, I believe, severe weather events caused by humans. And we are entering this phase of the next, maybe five to 20 years when there's going to be a lot of destabilizing events in the world which are in the perspective, in the global perspective of this civilization. And these stages of human evolution are required. And it's ugly to say. And unfortunately, that's the pain through which we have to go. You know, it's like the rock bottom is almost there, I believe, you know, [00:24:16] Speaker A: I talk about this all the time. People think they're like, oh, you're being. This is civilization. These things happen. You know, this has happened over time. You know, there's civilizations come and go. You know, things. Different types and styles of life on this planet have come and they've gone. And, you know, what will happen next, we don't know. But we would be remiss not to acknowledge that it's a part of the phenomenon of being on this planet that there are cycles and, you know, out of death comes rebirth. And, you know, you hope that we're able to mitigate some of this. But if you just, historically speaking, these things have happened and, you know, it kind of is. You know, it kind of is. And, you know, it's. How do we react with the time that we have here? I think is really key how do we create more sustainable leadership to guide us through these times? You know, I'm curious what you think we need in terms of leadership now. And I feel like a lot of what you've talked about at the ARC has been leadership without control. Like what does leadership without control actually look like? And what do we need now, you know, at this stage of humanity? [00:25:47] Speaker B: Well, we need humanity. Let's start there. Let's start there. That we need to understand and to acknowledge to truly accept ourselves as part of a whole rather than the owners of the whole. And this is the foundational. So if we don't understand that, we're talking nothing. It's just like if we keep thinking that working with nature is a trade off where you just send money to buy carbon credits, that's a very wrong approach which is not going to lead us anywhere. So I think another thing is that what we have to understand is that infinite growth on finite planet is impossible by nature. And all the system is, capitalism is built on the idea of infinite growth, that you constantly have to be growing, right? It's like the stocks have to constantly grow whatsoever without these two fundamental approaches, two fundamental corn pillars. The rest, it's just like, it's just impossible to talk. And this comes with obviously with certain evolution of consciousness of both, of both men and women in the bench, just like humans. And of course it's, I always like to bring an analogy that humans, that women, you are like human 2.0. And men, it is so, it is so. And men, we are like 1.0. And we are, and women are traditionally, you work much, much more on yourself, so you become like human 3.0. And, and men, we're working like a very little analysis. So we become like a human 1.25 when we were supposed to work like three times higher. So at least to match the level, you know. But it's true, like we're very mental, we're way more disconnected by. We're way more animals, men rather than women. Right? Like we, like a lot of our decisions are driven by testosterone and by competition. When all evolution is based on cooperation and women, you naturally feel about it. And if we have a little bit of time, I want to share also this interesting story about the concept of evolution. It's going to be very quick. I'll try to make it very quick. [00:28:13] Speaker A: Yes, please do, please do. [00:28:16] Speaker B: Very little people know about it. And actually I will remember who shared first this concept. But there was this person we all know that like Charles Darwin wrote the evolution of species, right? [00:28:28] Speaker A: Right. [00:28:28] Speaker B: And you remember the main phrase or the main kind of takeaway from it is that the evolution of species is based on the survival of the fittest. [00:28:39] Speaker A: Right. [00:28:41] Speaker B: And this is like, this is the main kind of cornerstone of everything. And there was another naturalist and traveler and from. And this is like so interesting how to see how the system was working. Charles Darwin was from very high society, so he belonged to this kind, we call them white rich man. Right? So like he belonged to the. He belonged to that circle. Let's just call what it is. He belonged to these circles and the Royal Society and lack of scientists and blah blah, blah in the United Kingdom. And there was another person whose name was Alfred Russel Wallace. And Alfred Russel Wallace was the one who had Charles Darwin as his hero. But he was also a traveler. He was from a lower society, lower class, he was just a traveler. And he happened to be writing pretty much the same work as Charles Darwin at the same time as Charles Darwin. And later on he got malaria, I don't remember in which island, somewhere in Asia. And he was practically much thinking that he's dying. So he's sending his work to Charles Darwin and with like, Charles, you're my hero, everything. This is the work. And I hope that this can become like at least somehow you can consider a part of your work because I know that you're working on something similar. And then this Charles Darwin receives that and he sends this to the Royal Society in the UK and he says that this work is amazing of Alfred Russel Wallace. And it's so amazing that it's pretty much the same, almost the same that I wrote. So I'm going to take him as a co author. So you can see always that Alfred Russell Wallace is a co author of Evolution of Species. The only thing, the only thing that they have changed with the difference between. And remember there were two classes writing this book and what Alfred Russel Wallace wrote that the evolution is based on. On. Sorry, Charles Darwin was saying evolution is based on competition and survival of the fittest. And Alfred Russell Waller said, evolution is based on collaboration and elimination of the weakest. Very simple change. Huge meaning. [00:31:02] Speaker A: Yeah, Profound. Very important. [00:31:03] Speaker B: Yeah, very different worlds that we're building from there. [00:31:07] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly. [00:31:08] Speaker B: So. So you see, like. And that's when it comes to your very first question, why this system is like this? Because there was a white rich man that says, we cannot put it like this because this wording is not supporting the system that we're currently living in and that we're currently creating. Because we have to create the competition and survival of the fittest, because survival of the fittest, you have to become the first. Whereas like in the elimination of the weakes, you just don't have to be the last. [00:31:35] Speaker A: Right, right, right, right, Exactly. Exactly. Wow. I think about how different the world would be. [00:31:42] Speaker B: There is a parallel reality with a completely different world. [00:31:47] Speaker A: Yeah, people are collaborating. There isn't like this exactly infinite growth push. Right. [00:31:53] Speaker B: And that's, and that's when again the question to like matriarchy and like, you know, masculine and feminine. But like then that world that would be built from that narrative would be very different because women, girls would have a very different space because women are by nature collaborative. [00:32:10] Speaker A: Right. [00:32:11] Speaker B: Men, we are competitors. Right. So like girls, you work together, you create together. So therefore the leadership has to, I believe, take into consideration that, that the whole, the whole nature is, the nature is not built on competition. If you look at it, I know that now that when I shared this with you, you won't be able to look at the evolution and nature the same eye. And I hope everybody who's list listening to this as well. Because now when you go to nature and you see and you're like, actually it's not built on competition truly, it's built on collaboration. One feeds another and another feeds another. And just like there is a natural cycle of life and death as we said. Right. But, but it's all whatever is getting birthed and dying then feeds the, the rest of the ecosystem and it's getting rebirthed and it's, the cycle goes on again and again. And us, the moment we kinda separated us from nature and we said that like, oh, we are like, you know, we are this kind of materialistic scientific society, then we kind of stopped learning from it as well. We kind of stopped being, relating to each other as part of nature, as part of one, as part of whole. Not even just with a tree or with a dog or with a cat, but with each other. We started separating each other on countries, nationalities and whatsoever. And this separation led to wherever we are. So the leadership now is first of all has to accept the fact that we are part of that and take nature as an equal stakeholder and start finally not just caring for it, but just like living in it, like being part of it. [00:33:52] Speaker A: Being part of it. Yes, yes. I think that that's key. And you know, you talk about separation and more than ever I hear people talking about how they feel separated, they feel disconnected, you know, why do you think that is? Despite the fact that we are in an era where technically there's more connection than ever, there's more ways to go on your phone and connect, quote, connect with someone. But we're reporting people reporting records of being depressed, feeling lonely, you know, feeling like. I read a study that someone was saying that, especially the younger generation, Gen Z, few of them. And I don't want to butcher the statistics on this report having like a really close friend. Wow. Yeah, like that to me is alarming. Why? What is going on? Why are we, you know, why are we stuck here? Is it that, that push for collaboration or is there something else that's, you know, kind of latent that we're missing that's driving this? [00:34:53] Speaker B: I believe it's, it's also there. I believe we're the peak of the resistance. I also, I don't read news for the last six years. So I. [00:35:03] Speaker A: For the best. [00:35:04] Speaker B: I don't know what's going on in the world, to be honest. I hear here and there the large events, but I don't know. [00:35:11] Speaker A: Good for you. [00:35:11] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. Pandemic was that. I remember it was, it was March 2020 when I said that's it. But I cannot. That's a wrap. Thank you. That was great. So I believe also, but, but I also like obviously like we're, we are through the project that we're creating together here, we have to understand what's going on with people and like, you know what, how people relate. And I also see another movement when people are now choosing more disconnection from technology and they choose constant, like an honest connection with humans. And I see this here in Costa Rica a lot and I see this in. And I understand that like it might be a very different reality from the United States or from any other technologically advanced space where being in this kind of different locations like dictates what is your surrounding and this surroundings kind of programs how you behave. So I honestly don't see this here and I see this. I just was today with a person and he's like, hey, I turned off my phone a month ago and I'm leaving for. Wow, this is amazing. And he just like navigates. So like, and he asked me for directions to go for lunch and I, we went on like five minute conversation. I was like, you turn here, you go there. He's like, okay, okay, okay. [00:36:38] Speaker A: This is like, this is a great conversation. [00:36:40] Speaker B: I don't remember when was the last time. [00:36:42] Speaker A: Right. They had to ask him for directions or help. [00:36:45] Speaker B: Directions. Yeah. This is so great. This is so fun. And we are having amazing Conversations. And I believe this is happening a lot. The thing I also think and believe that when people still live in the cities, as much as crazy as it can sound, because cities, cities are the product of that same system, right? Because people went to the cities because there was no like more opportunities and whatsoever, which is now I believe what is happening that people are. There is a mass exodus of people from the cities because people now finally understand. First of all, thank you Pandemic for giving us remote job, right, One of the good outtakes. And thanks to that, people are now like, wait a second, I don't actually have to live in the city because this is actually toxic and harm and bad for my health, mental health and whatsoever. And people are now looking into going into nature to live. And that's what we see a lot in Costa Rica. Costa Rica is now one of the leading places by immigration of people, including from the United States and Canada. And you see more and more people going towards the Global south, as we can say it, right, which is like Guatemala, Mexico, Costa Rica. Now countries like El Salvador, Honduras are appearing. Nicaragua and like more and more expat community or immigrants are coming. So it's like another kind of wave of immigrants which are like, you know, coming back because Global south for somehow. Thank you Global south and thank you for all how everything has unfolded, maintain the soul. And people are coming there like, okay, this is here is a true. You can truly relate. And this is a weird kind of movement because there is still a lot of like the influence of the mass culture, let's say still call it. So the mainstream culture is still so strong on, on, on, on young generation here in Global south that they are also actually want to migrate and follow the American dream. And they're going to like, you know, towards that. And then people who have achieved the American dream and then realize that that's actually toxic. They're like, let me go back there. [00:39:01] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. [00:39:02] Speaker B: And there's this circulation that is happening. And I believe that we, through these kind of examples, even from what we're doing today with you, like, you know, just sharing this more and more, I believe that people who are listening that the seed is getting planted and we're gonna change this in the next, I believe, I don't know, maybe 10 years when people will be like, you know what? This is not for me. I see many people are already who don't have any social media accounts. [00:39:32] Speaker A: Yeah, me too. Oh, me too. [00:39:34] Speaker B: And this is exactly. This is amazing. I see countries, I hear from that, like from conversation with people that. Who are prohibiting social media for teenagers till they're getting reaching the age of 16 or 18, which I believe is a must. [00:39:49] Speaker A: Yes, exactly. [00:39:50] Speaker B: I listened to this podcast with Jay Shetty and he was with the person, I don't remember who it was, but he was explaining why it has to be prohibited like smoking in public places. And he. And I was just like, that's truly so. And like the school that we don't call it the school, we have a center for conscious learning that's called Arcadia within the arc. We just opened it two weeks ago after two years of active. Thank you so much. After Active Creation. It's based on Montessori principles. It's self guided learning and obviously there are zero screens. Kids don't have any interaction with technology. They have interaction with themselves, learning themselves and following their inner plan. Why the universe created this child in this particular time and we're just there supporting them in their authentic and unique growth. And the more and more we see that parents, they're not just agreeing with this, they're vouching for this. They're like, yes, please. We don't want them to be, to be connected to. We don't want them to have tablets, we don't want them to have phones. And of course it's going to. The technology is here to stay. Right. It's just like also I believe it's not the mid. The truth is in the middle, right, that the technology there is so much good in technology, so much benefit, so much with how we can use it, how we can have more space and time for ourselves, for creativity and authenticity and creation. But at the same time we haven't yet. And I, I talking now for myself, I haven't yet. I'm just getting there. Developed the healthy habits around technology, around social media and, and what can we say about the child, right? Or Gen Z? The same like when the, the brain is still forming, the consciousness is still forming and they're constantly getting bombarded with this cheap dopamine and we are like, you know, as much as I'm like listening to Andrew Huberman on repeat all the podcast in the execution, I'm like, man, really? 40 minutes on Instagram, that's what we did today. [00:42:02] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly. You're like, you know, I know I should. You hit the nail on the head if it's hard for adults, you know, it was. We were dropped into technology and you know, I'm 40 and I remember a time when there weren't any social media platforms still, you know, and I think about this younger generation. All they've known is Instagram, Facebook. I remember in college just getting onto Facebook and it was like this new thing, you know, but we had this whole other life, this whole other way of communicating pre these social media platforms and how addictive they have become. And I think that what's happened is that we never really develop rules of the road. We're kind of just like, drop these technologies. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Hey, they're profitable ads. Let's go, let's go, let's go. And how to actually leverage them without replacing your own voice, your intuition, your inability, your ability to make decisions. And you see a whole generation of kids where their whole identity is wrapped in social media because they never, you know, had the opportunity or, you know, they never had the freedom to be able to discover themselves without social media. I think it's very interesting, the paradigm of. And again, I'm gonna sound like, you know, an old millennial, like, oh, back in my day, you know, back in my day, you know, someone was telling me, it was so funny. I went to this party, you know, here in la, and we went to this party, like this art party somewhere downtown, and I'm with my millennial friends and we're all like, dancing with their hands in the air. Woo. You know, and it was, you know, there's other younger people at the party. Were those people, you know, just doing all the things? And my friend's like, hey, how come no one's dancing with their hands in the air? And another person's like, oh, you know, sorry, Gen Z, I'm gonna call you guys out. I don't know if this is true or not, but like, oh, Gen Z doesn't dance with her hands in the air. It's not cool. And a lot of the. She was explaining that there's a paradigm where a lot of the behavior. And again, don't know if this is true or not, is curated for social media. So you don't, you know, because anyone can have their phone out at any time recording. So you don't want to do things that, you know, if it ends up on TikTok, you look silly or. And I was like, wow, I feel like I lived my life in my, you know, teens and 20s, uncensored. I mean, we were just doing whatever you want because you never worried, you excited, explored, you learned, you failed. And I was never worried that someone was documenting me, you know, And I was like, wow, what a, what a paradigm shift. If my formative years, I was worried about going viral on Tik Tok for the wrong reason. Wow. [00:44:41] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:44:42] Speaker A: How that would have limited my self exploration. The things that I did, you know, kind of my self expression and it's really, you know, I think it's really unfortunate. Paradigm. [00:44:53] Speaker B: Yeah. Wow. I didn't know that. This is, this is crazy. Yeah. [00:44:59] Speaker A: I was like, what? I was just like, woo. You know, with your hands in the air, like you just don't care. [00:45:07] Speaker B: Wow. Wow. This is crazy. But this is, but this is true. It's insane to think how you would behave if you would think that you're constantly filmed your whole life and this is like, you know, the social media is a great example of a technology or something which system has created considering people as consumers and having the only objective as profit. And when there are no guardrails in place and when we think now like, oh, how could we get to this point? But we got to this point because corporations like Facebook and whatever they were, they were just going for it and they were just going for it for the big buck. And they were just like, let's just get, let's just create as much attention, like attention connection to this particular app and they have like this army of scientists and psychologists which are working on creating these things which are obviously breaking all our barriers because they know all the science of how to make it. And, and this raises big questions over AI And I don't know if we want to go there maybe. No, but. Because I believe that's exactly what is happening. Right? It is exactly what you see. Like there are no guardrails and there are just like tons of companies which are running a lot of money are splashing in because this is the next achievement, next big buck. And again the same. Just we're playing with a much more challenging situation. [00:46:41] Speaker A: Right, right, right, right, right. Man, AI. Before we go to AI, I actually do want to quickly ask you about the genesis of the ark. I have so much to ask you about AI But I wanted to one [00:46:55] Speaker B: hour conversation, nothing about the arc. [00:46:59] Speaker A: I was like, wait, before we go down the AI rabbit hole, which I absolutely do because there's so, so much I want to unpack. I'm just curious. Quickly tell us about the ark. What was the genesis? What was the moment? And I'm curious because I, you know, as I've researched you and read about you, you know, it sounds like, you know, you're just a different coming from a different place. You know, I think of course it sounds like it was always there and within. Within you. What part of you had to die to create the ark. [00:47:31] Speaker B: Yeah, a lot had to die, which was. Can we talk about psychedelics? [00:47:41] Speaker A: Yes, of course. Yes. We have a great episode, actually, on Psychedelics on the podcast. [00:47:48] Speaker B: There were literally some moments when I was in psychedelic ceremonies when the parts of me had to die, which was. I don't know how much you're familiar, but you passed through this project process, which is called ego death. [00:48:01] Speaker A: Yes, yes. [00:48:02] Speaker B: And that's what I went a couple of times. And. And this. [00:48:07] Speaker A: Can you share, like, if you're. [00:48:08] Speaker B: Yes, definitely. I, of course, with psychedelics, I had. I had. My strongest experience was with Huachuma, which is San Pedro. [00:48:17] Speaker A: Okay. [00:48:17] Speaker B: Yeah. And active ingredient is mescaline. And I was actually going out. I was living in Tulum back then, and in Tulum, we were center of separatism because we were all against vaccines, all against, like, you know, government telling us how we have to leave. And, like, you know, we were standing for our own health choices. So I got three or four times Covid, which I was like, okay, I'm getting Covid. Fine. It's gonna be. I'm gonna be fine. And, like, you know, one was stronger than the other, like, different. Different symptoms and whatsoever. And that particular was that I completely lost my sense of smell and taste. So I got into this ceremony without sense of anything. And I. And Hoachuma is like, you know, it's not like ayahuasca. Ayahuasca, you drink a little bit, but Hoachuma drink actually a big glass. So, like, I was like. And everybody drinks. And I'm like, okay. And I realized that I'm drinking. I don't have a taste. I'm like, okay, it's fine. People are like. They could not go for a second because they're like. I'm like, huh? Whatever. I'm like, exactly. And, you know, I don't know, maybe something because of it. I was already going out of that covet, so, like, I was like, like, feeling totally fine, but still, you know, like, not feeling any senses. And I was like, I'm not feeling anything. And people are, like, rolling on the ground, and they're just like, you know, somebody's crying. Somebody's laughing. I'm like, I'm not feeling it. I'm going for the second glass. I'm taking second glass. I'm like, half an hour pass. I'm like, I'm not feeling anything. Just, like, a little bit. I'm like, I'm not. I'm here to work, you know? And it was still that A lot of my past version of me was. Was very much alive still. As much as I was thinking that it was not, it was still very much alive. And then I'm taking the third glass, and I understand that my sense of smell and taste came back. And it tastes like crap. And I'm like, oh, my God, this tastes horrible. Maybe. Maybe huachuma activated something in my brain. I don't know how it worked. It. I was like, it tastes horrible. And in that moment, the shaman goes like, let's to some rape. And like, you know, this tobacco that you inhaled. And I inhale tobacco, and I understand that I'm becoming. I'm just devastated in that moment. I'm crawling back to my place and I'm falling in this. In my consciousness is this dark hole. Incredibly scary, dark, dark hole where I stop for. Start forgetting everything that. Who I am. And I. And the most, most horrifying fears are coming in my life, which is like, I will go crazy. Because, you know, whenever we go to this kind of things, they're like, will I go crazy? Will I lose my mind? [00:50:58] Speaker A: Right? [00:50:58] Speaker B: And I'm like, I'm going crazy. And then the next one, I'm like, I'm going to stay like this forever. And then. And it's like. It feels like, you know, like a dark, deep, dark well completely with round and like, you know, I'm kind of falling and trying to grab into the stones of like. And these stones are parts of my ego. And this, like, ego. And I was like, wait a second, who am I? What's my name? And I cannot remember. Like, and I'm trying to grasp these little stones. And I was like, wait, I was. I was working somewhere. I'm from. I'm from that. I'm from Kazakhstan. And what is a country? What is Kazakhstan? I was like, I'm speaking those languages. And then I realized that I don't think in languages. And then what is a language? And then I'm like, you know, I had a career and I have a family, I have a dog. Everything falls down. And I understand that I'm just dying and dissolving in this kind of nothingness. And at the same time, everythingness. And it was the most terrifying and horrible moment of my life, as much as it was the most beautiful moment of my life. [00:52:05] Speaker A: Everything and nothingness at the same time. [00:52:07] Speaker B: And at the same time. [00:52:09] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:52:11] Speaker B: And honestly that I think if I wouldn't go through that from all that, whichever I would be creating and again, whichever the universe would be creating through me, would not be the same because I would still be carrying this kind. I'm someone. I'm someone. And I think the more. The more. The more we stick to this, I'm someone, the less we can create from the authentic place of, like, something has to appear, and I'm just a vessel that is making this happen. But I'm no one in this process. And if I wouldn't lose that, I think I would still approach creating the arc with a lot of. I want to say ego, but it's such a word that, again, creates a lot of stigma because people might think, like, oh, the guy is pretending that he has no ego. Of course I do. Everybody, we all have. It's just like, to a certain extent, how you can manage this thing. Right. And how much humility you bring into the process, understanding that you're just a human grain, and you're just a sane of a grain of sand on an insane beach that's called union or drop in this ocean that just has its own vibration and movement, and you're just there contributing to the whole. And without that understanding, I would create the arc with a very wrong concept, with the wrong objective. [00:53:46] Speaker A: Right. What is your objective? If you were to sum it up, what is your objective with the arc? And I think one of the other things I want to ask is, I saw somewhere you were talking about, you know, hey, the arc is about meaning, not escaping. I think that sometimes people feel like, hey, I'm going to move to this community. I'm going to, you know, and I'm going to escape myself. [00:54:12] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:54:12] Speaker A: You know, or they think they're going to escape their life, but really what they're. [00:54:16] Speaker B: They're meaning themselves. [00:54:18] Speaker A: Exactly. And you say, no, this is about meaning, not escape. So, yeah, give me. [00:54:23] Speaker B: I love that. The vision. [00:54:24] Speaker A: And then also, what do you mean when you say the arc is really about meaning and not about escape? [00:54:31] Speaker B: Yeah, I love that so much because it's true. A lot of people, and we intentionally don't call ourselves intentional community because a lot of people that like. Because, like, that word became very much overused. [00:54:42] Speaker A: Why? [00:54:43] Speaker B: Because there are also a lot of people who. Who were escaping. And you said it so. Right. So right. And it's like people thinking that they are escaping the system, the matrix, that whatsoever, the divorce, the husband, the wife, the whatsoever, like, you know, the unfairness of the world, and then they come to wherever they were escaping from, and they realized that they were escaping themselves, and they brought everything with themselves. [00:55:10] Speaker A: Wherever you go, there you are. [00:55:12] Speaker B: Wherever you go, there you are, there you are. Yes. And this is, and I think with the arc, we intentionally never talk about ourselves as this kind a bunker, you know, or like a plan B because it is not. Because I believe the meaning behind as the vision behind is that, you know, thinking that humans are going to go away from the cities, it's inevitable, it's going to be happening. We're going to be popular, populating, maybe other cities, but mainly nature. We are going to go back and we're going back to nature. So first of all, how, when this process is going to be happening, we want to like the ark. And we as the ark, we want to be this example of like, okay, so if humans are going to start living on the land, we actually can take already degraded sites that other humans have destroyed before us and we can bring back the regeneration and we can help the nature to restore the biodiversity and we can actually be the part of this wildlife that is coming and bringing other wildlife with us rather than coming and doing again the same mistakes that the capitalism has made, like cutting out the jungle and putting three palms and calling it eco sustainable development. No, we can already. There is so much land that we have effed up already in the world, right? Like there are like so many jungles, so many forests, so many, so many degraded ecosystems which we can come and be like, okay, what is asking to appear here naturally? And how we as humans as part of nature, how we can contribute for this to appear much quicker and how we can live in co creation with this nature rather than against it. And how, and we are going to be many, we are going to live in nature. But this is like, you know, nature can benefit from us coming living there. And this is, the examples are insane. And we are now in the process of measuring how the biodiversity of soil has increased from us. Because our site was deforested in 1966, it was done. Yeah, it was a pasture land since 1966, before it was a jungle. So you know, we are coming back now and we are regenerating the soil, we're reforesting the land back, we're replanting the trees. And instead of just a young jungle, young forest, we're bringing all the productive trees. So we're planting fruit trees which are going to give fruits in the next 10, 15 years. But we see already through that, through the creation of the water systems and like storing more fresh water on the land, we see how the nature is already doing its own work, you know, and how all ecosystem is coming back. When we came to the land. We calculated 15 types of trees on the land. Now we have more than 400. And. And we got all sorts of different animals. Foxes, coyotes, deers, haguarundis. It's like small gray jaguar. We saw puma. We have all sorts of snakes, small birds, big birds. And all this happened with. I came to this land for the first time almost five years ago, and within the concourse of this, like, kind of four years that I'm living on the land, and it's all unfolding in my. In front of my eyes within these four years. [00:58:29] Speaker A: Wow. [00:58:30] Speaker B: And it's. And it's mind blowing. Not just, like, you know, to be like, a witness of. Just to sit and. And see how every day the nature is doing its job. And the only thing that we are doing is just like, holding space. And we're just like, kind of pushing a little bit, and we're just like, okay, you're safe now. You're safe. Just do your work. We're gonna just like, you know, this is like a man holds a woman, you know, that was again, coming back to the same. Just holding mother Earth and just like, hey, like, I got you. Like, we're here when. We're going to steward this place now. And the speed is insane because we. We are conditioned to think that, like, oh, it's now it's gonna take generations. It's not gonna take. It's gonna take, like, in your lifetime, in next 10 years, and it's just gonna be so different. And. And this is just one part of it. Right? So, yeah, I just went outside. [00:59:26] Speaker A: No, I love that you said that, because actually we saw that during COVID too, like, as humans kind of took a step back from all the go, go, go. [00:59:34] Speaker B: Yes. [00:59:35] Speaker A: Civilization. Like, animals were coming out, you know, birds that we hadn't seen. Like, there was just this whole, you know, reflourishing, you know, that was really, really interesting. One of the things I've heard you say is that, you know, you use the phrase regenerative versus sustainable. I feel like everyone talks about sustainability. [00:59:55] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:59:56] Speaker A: What is the difference between the two? And then I'm also curious, like, as you were building it, once you talk about regenerative and what that actually means, what were some of the things that you had to learn and get wrong about building a regenerative community? [01:00:12] Speaker B: Yeah. Thank you. Well, sustainability, it's from the word, right? And it's like, to sustain. It's just like to maintain the states of the events as they are. And that word was a lot in the agenda in the 90s in the beginning of 2000s and sustainability was big thing and it proved not to work because then if I, if I have a glass which has that amount of water and I just sustain, that's what's going to stay. But I'm constantly sipping from the glass. So if I'm not refilling the glass, it's never gonna be like. So eventually it's going to get dry, right? So regeneration is, if we think about it, it's kind of repairing or restoring, right? It's just like bringing back and it's just like create the conditions conducive to, to life. That's like the official kind of official explanation of regeneration. And if you think about it is like so like let's take, let's say educational system and let's apply the same explanation. So like if you would sustain educational system you would say like okay, so the schools have to stay the same as they are now. But do we think that this current educational system is contributing to the world that we're building? [01:01:35] Speaker A: No, we don't. [01:01:36] Speaker B: No, no, no we don't. So we educational system requires regeneration, it requires fixing, it requires repairing. And, and this is, this is what we're doing. So we kind of started imagining what, what requires regeneration. So healthcare was another thing, right? Like the current state of events is that the health in healthcare system we were conditioned to give away our power because we were like oh, you don't have, have innate feeling what is good or bad for your body, what is beneficial or not. And all remedies, natural remedies are bullshit. But that pill from Pfizer that is gonna work, right? And we're all like okay, yeah. And they were buying it. Imagine how much it took to deprogram us and to make us believe that the pill, that this, that, that, that all that and a vaccine or whatsoever is going is good rather than like being in nature connection with humans giving what mother Earth is taking what mother Earth is giving you and can alchemizing it into some sort of a remedy for your body, for your mind or for whatsoever that that is wrong. And that is like woo woo. And that is, and this is right. So regeneration is all about that. It's just like bringing it all back. And so healthcare is another thing. And one other thing is economical models like regenerative economy is something that we're going to be hearing more and more. It's just like how do we create, do business differently? [01:03:17] Speaker A: What does that look like? Especially I'm interested in the financial model. What does that look like, how do you deal with human phenomenon like scarcity, you know, and competition, which we've been so groomed into, with a different financial system. Like, how do you create a financial system that actually works for the community? [01:03:40] Speaker B: Yeah, this. It's a challenging. It's a challenging thing because we still operate in this environment when this one is collapsing. So I always say, like, you know, if this is the inverse point, so the arc is the bridge between two, and we are still operating in this environment of capitalistic structures, but at the same time, we are creating this internal bubble. So, for example, we are giving 30% of everything that the village is generating back to the community. So when you're becoming the member of the ark, the resident of the ark, you're immediately becoming the beneficiary of everything that we are generating as a whole, independently, if you're working or doing something. So it's just because you're part of the community now, because you chose this village. Another, another thing is that we're giving 10% of everything that we're generating for the infrastructural and different other improvements of the neighboring town. So we build the water infrastructure that got connected, that the air got connected to. But because we built this water infrastructure, all this town got connected to the potable water as well. So this is like an example of just collaboration, what can be happening? And there are many examples like this. The same family from whom we got the land inside of just purchasing the land from them. We also invited them to stay as equity partners within our project, within the arc, so that we just. We don't misplace the local population, but they stay with us for as long as the project goes, and that they benefit from whatever this land is going to be creating and producing. And so we kept them in the story rather than like, you know, capitalism would come and that would be like, exactly like, bye, like, let me screw you over. Let me buy as cheap as possible from locals, misplace you, and just, like, sell it as much as possible. Good luck. And all this is only possible because also we don't have any investment capital. The Ark doesn't have investors. And this was the initial principle and the belief that we started. And I believe this because we don't have this external influence. That's why we can make it happen. [01:05:50] Speaker A: I want to ask this, and I want to go back to the healthcare thing. I want to just ask, what are some of the challenges you talk about the residents of the ark? How are they interacting? What are some of the challenges of co building and co living, you know, I just, I could see in theory it sounds amazing, but we all know, you know, nuts and bolts. Yeah, yeah. What are some of the challenges that you guys have had to come overcome? And you see within the community there [01:06:21] Speaker B: are, they always appear. And this is like imagine like we were conditioned, all of us to live very differently in this separation and now we feel that we want to live differently, but we don't know how to like. So we are kind of stepping in on all. With a lot of. All of us with a lot of expectations. There is still the ideas of I'm going away from something. Although we don't have a dark people like this, we mainly have people who are like, I'm done with that. I want to build something new. So we kind of call it the community of creators and creatives. And I think the main challenge is still human nature. For it's still challenging to rewire ourselves from what, from people think that the community is kind of what can I get from the community, but not what I can give to the community. A lot of people are coming still with like, not like I wouldn't, I don't want to say extractive mindset. It's not at all. But it's rather like expectation that the community has to be giving and doing a lot for them, for them rather than one like, you know, less questioning, like, you know, what, what can I do? And, and still it's, and it's always, it's a work in progress because then the only way forward is a complete transparency and openness in the conversation and in sharing. So we have like this kind of alignment circles every two weeks when we're talking openly and like we're sharing how we're feeling, how, how we're relating. And the main challenge is just us, our humanity. We are, we're just humans, which we hurt humans. And especially like we're more or less same age with you. I'm 42 and I believe we're like our generation. We are the generation that carries a lot of traumas. We are in this in between generation. Like I feel the same as you. Like, you know, we, we were like kind of not here, not there. Like we were like exactly. [01:08:32] Speaker A: We remember the world being very different, very, very different. [01:08:36] Speaker B: And we were like, we kind of grew up in that world but then we spilled over to the world that was like very different. Like when the technology started being very good. And at the same time, we are the generation that carries a lot of traumas of Parents who were overachievers not because they wanted to, but because they kind, they kind of all the culture was kind of inviting them into it and they were like either survivors or overachievers. Which means that practically we were kind of left by ourselves a lot. And this is our generation. Our main traumas of our generation is not belonging. And that's happened because of our parents. And it's not their fault. No fault here. It's just like de facto that is what it is. Right. And that's, that's what it's like. If you ask even ChatGPT talking about AI if you're asking ChatGPT what is the best way to communicate to millennials if you want to sell them something and it will always tell you sell through belonging because that's the main trauma you can figure. [01:09:41] Speaker A: Exactly. And you see that now there's more of a push for experiential community rituals. How do you think that community rituals will continue to evolve and be, you know, really we go back to community rituals as a Right. [01:10:00] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:10:00] Speaker A: You know, how do you see that becoming essential, you know, over time? [01:10:06] Speaker B: Oh, I think I really want to believe that we're going into this direction when we are going to start living as in these tribes and these tribes are, thanks to the technology, they are not going to be landlocked and they're not going to have the separation. I more see it as like different circles co interacting, you know, and, and, and these rituals are. They have like very essential part and the, the one and I don't know which exactly like we can bring into but like what comes to me is like the sitting around the fire, you know. [01:10:39] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly. [01:10:40] Speaker B: And this is like, you know, something which is, is so vital. This something is so magical. It's just like this circle and when you just sit around the fire and it's like the conversations that pop up and then, and then just like you know also like, you know, circles around like, you know, around everything when like, you know, there is no presentation on. But rather than authentic relate relating through everyone being equal. This is so important from which we haven't learned it. And honestly another thing that coming back to the question when you asked me about what I had to leave behind, I'm coming from a mindset of overachiever, perfectionist, very strong systems. And my teams were always like there were very little humanity in my teams. I looking back at myself, I'm like, wow. I was like. I was as much as like people loved that but also again people love that because it's like, because it was. That's the culture. That was the culture. That's the conditioning. [01:11:50] Speaker A: Exactly. [01:11:51] Speaker B: And now navigating the ark is a lot for me personally. It's like, how can we make it humane? And humane means this is such a great thing. That majority of our team are women. I love working with women. I love working with them. [01:12:11] Speaker A: Yay us. [01:12:12] Speaker B: Yay. I love it. I think. But it comes also with challenges that man mind can rarely understand. And in the last circle now we have like regular team circles. So we start with like Monday meetings and we finish week with the team circle where we just check in what's going on, how we're feeling. And the subject that came up, what we discussed is just like, okay, we have to. We kind of have to and want to change the work. Not work. We don't say work. We say like create. It's all a creation environment. [01:12:47] Speaker A: Right. [01:12:48] Speaker B: Taking into consideration this, the cycles in which women are living. [01:12:53] Speaker A: Thank can we. [01:12:56] Speaker B: And I was like, duh. I was like, you know, like, I [01:13:00] Speaker A: was like, obviously I was gonna say how did. I was curious like how you reacted to that. But you just said you're like, oh. [01:13:06] Speaker B: I was like, of course. It's like, it makes so much sense. So now like, you know, and it's not just like now it became a normality that a person can take a leave when they feel bad because they're going like, you know, but it's just like it goes. It has to go much deeper. And that's what we're excavating now. Like, you know, because you're going through four phases, right? And in your. It's like so like four phases we. In which like very much if women are aligned and we have mainly aligned women which are connected to moon phases, which comes from the same thing that we spoke about. Like, you know, what is not wrong. But why the system as it is. But. Well, the system is acting in. As synchronization with nature because the whole system is based on sun calendar when the whole nature is operating on moon calendar. So including. Including women like, you know, and of course men, we're less sensitive, but we also feel it. And the more honestly, I personally, the more I realize and acknowledge feminine energy in me, the more I become sensitive. And like the moment, the moment it's full moon, I'm like, that's it. We're not sleeping tonight. And then, you know, like, you're gathering on next day, you're the full moon. But. But it's true, you know, and. And I Love it. And. Because I'm like, okay, I'm finally not a robot that just executes. [01:14:29] Speaker A: Yes, exactly that. Wow. Yeah. [01:14:32] Speaker B: And. And this is. And. And so, like, you. You see like, how much I had to leave behind, how much my ego had to die in order to get there. Because if that. If you would apply this, if you would tell me 10 years ago something that I'm telling you now, I would say, like, that guy will. I will never be that guy. There is some bullshit that he's talking [01:14:55] Speaker A: absolutely zero percent no. What are you talking about? [01:14:59] Speaker B: And I know that whenever people from my past life gonna listen to this episode, they're gonna say, like, whoa, that guy went banana. He went out of rails. And the beauty of ego death. You know what is the beauty of ego death? Is that you don't care what people think because you're like, I go crazy. And I'm okay with that. [01:15:21] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly. You're like, who gives? You know, wow. You know, I'm actually. Because you hit. I want to ask. Application. Because you hit on so many interesting things, like acknowledging lunar cycles, talking about rhythm, which I feel like, you know, I been working on writing about this because, like, we're just so out of sync. One of the most beautiful things when I was in Vietnam was the Red Zhou people in Sapa, the women create this beautiful bath, and they only go out to, you know, forage for the materials in the bath during certain elements of the, you know, certain lunar cycle times. And so, you know, just the power of that. You know, I'm curious, like, what are some other practices that anyone could put into their, you know, if they're living in a city, if they are, whatever their circumstances, circumstances that they could actually implement some of this thinking they could actually move to a more regenerative way of living. What are some, maybe three simple things that people could actually start doing to actually move to a different place? [01:16:27] Speaker B: I want to say that, first and foremost, spending time in nature. [01:16:31] Speaker A: Yeah, for sure. [01:16:32] Speaker B: That's first and foremost. Because. And it's just like, observe. Because without that, without understanding, understanding, you cannot align with something that you don't feel. [01:16:41] Speaker A: Right, Right, right, right. [01:16:43] Speaker B: And. And. And especially men, women, you are connected independently where you live, but also, like, you know, city brings its toll and the heaviness. But like, for us, for men, it's definitely something to. To. To understand to. And now there are so. So many materials, so many things that we can learn and just like, you know, get into. We, like, meant to process everything through the head. But what I Like, is that the universe and nature is so perfect that whatever you read everything from the head, you're like, yeah, it makes sense, of course. Obvious, obviously. Duh. So I think this is the first and foremost and main thing. And then another thing is like, authentic relating. And I think, I know that maybe it's already like kind of like that the language is hurt. But what do we mean by that? Right? It's just like honestly talking and hearing and hearing each other between genders and not just listening, just like, oh, yeah, okay, like, we're gonna make. Give it to each other to think, but truly understand. What does it mean? Like, and for us, it's impossible for us, for men to understand what women are going through, but just like, apply logic toward, like, you know, man, there is like a whole thing into those 28 days that is happening, what's happening with the body, and it's just like, we would not be able to. We would freak out so much if we would just start bleeding once a month. Like, I'm putting myself in those shoes. Any guy would be like, the hell is going on? So, but understanding that there are actually four stages to that, and it's just like, you know, that's like putting ourselves into those shoes and just like, okay, so like, we can actually create the systems which are more humane and, and just natural. That's important. And another thing which is very important is to understand that there are humans and not robots who are executing whatever they're executing, whatever they're creating, working on and seeing the human behind. And not just like, you know, oh, you're at the mental breakdown. Take a day off. But exactly why are you at the mental breakdown? What's happening there? What's happened? What happened? And just like to constantly check in, we start these circles from a check in practice, which is very simple. And it's just like, you know, hey, that's how I'm feeling today. And, you know, for anyone who is listening to the podcast and whoever will oppose and will tell, oh, it's gonna be very hard in our office in New York. We will never be able to do it. Guys and girls, we started with doing with circles with Nicaraguan field workers, guys who like men who worked all their life in the field. When they said, when we set them for the first time in the circle, the looks at their faces, they were like, what the hell is going on, man? They were like, these guys were not smiling in the beginning. When they started working with us, they were like, you know, this some woo woo shit. And for Us taking them by the hand and like you know, showing through the example when, when we are. And I personally coming to the circles and I'm sharing so deep like intentionally that I'm like, I'm going through the thing and that's what's going on. And then listening how they are giving themselves the space. And I'm talking about, I'm talking about like, you know, the. Imagine like, you know, it's a field workers from Nicaragua who are here to, to make money there. Like the closeness that was there and now you see the openness that is appearing when they're like just sharing the joy or not or like what's going on in their personal lives and they're looking forward to this. Now anybody can oppose and tell us that like, you know, what an hour it's not gonna happen in our office because people will never go into this vulnerability. People want that. Everybody wants this. We want to be humans. We want to come and like, you know, to be in the place of our creation, to burn with the desire for this community because it is a community, right? Whatever it is like office and like space or whatsoever just to relate to other humans. And this is going to be so healing on so many levels. And for men who are listening this and they're thinking that this is going to, to subtract from the working hours because it is time. It is like, you know, good two hours. The output, it's the same like the regenerative thinking. Like, you know, I have very often these conversations with people debating with me if we can feed the world with regenerative agriculture. And I say always one thing is just like when you are having regenerative agriculture, you don't have to grow that much food because the food that you're growing is way more nutrient dense. So you don't have to eat as much as you're eating of conventional. So the same with this regenerative kind of environment in the office. Those two hours, don't look at them as a waste of time, but look at them as an investment. If a man want to look like this because other time that people are going to be creating, they will be creating from a very different space which is going to have a much larger output. [01:22:14] Speaker A: Yes. Wow, wow, wow, wow. You know, I, I love that you put it in this way because I've heard this argument, oh, don't bring your emotions to work or the whole paradigm. Oh, never cry at work. Oh, don't share with your colleagues. Work has become so dehumanizing. You know, it's like you're supposed to go to this place where you spend a majority of your time, majority of your time, majority of your time and literally act like a robot. And that's supposed to be okay. And I agree with what you're saying. Like if we actually invested in giving people space, you know, allowing them the tools and the resources to be expressive, the amount of time that someone would spend crying in the bathroom, ruminating over whatever and they could actually just express it and know that they were supported in the environment, the output would be dramatically different. And I know people will come after, oh yeah, you know, we need to be. But I do agree with you, like that's that capitalistic mindset where it is you're on the conveyor belt and you just need to keep outputting and outputting without any type of awareness for the human beings that actually need room to just be, you know. And I find it honestly quite bizarre that you know, like this isn't, it's almost taboo. Like if, you know, I feel like if you and I were to go to office, very few, there are some companies, you know, one point in my career I worked at Lululemon and Lululemon always started with a clearing and I had come from corporate and I was like, oh, this is so weird, this clearing. Like I was like, like what the heck? But it was one of the most power and it changed my, my view on how you can actually nurture humans at work versus, you know, I, I really struggle even with the term human capital. It makes people feel very disposable, of course, very, very disposable. And you know, instead, you know, how do we nurture human beings and how do we think of them as creative conduits, you know, creative out. You know, they're in value their creative output and just giving people space to be is so key. Yeah, I could go on and on about this. I do want to quickly talk about AI before we go into our true and false. Give me the tea on AI. Are you using AI? What do you think of AI? I have so many, I have so many opinions of my own. But I'd love to hear where you. [01:24:33] Speaker B: I am, I, I, I am, I'm, I'm using chat GPT, I don't use any others. I, I, one at one moment. I, I kinda even subscribed to this. I, I kind of tried to jump on the train of like, you know, this kind of that scarcity that now everybody is creating that if you are not learning right now, you're gonna be Jobless in three years. And I was like, oh my God. And then it's right. And I subscribed to a newsletter that was daily and I realized that so much is happening. I was like, that's not. I will not be able to process that. I will not be able to understand it. But I believe, I want to believe that there is a sane relationship that can be created and the right things that we are adopting and there are things that I think we will Never adopt. And ChatGPT has been useful a lot. It's a lot of ping ponging. A lot of. For me, I believe I'm saving A lot of the way I create is that I need to ping pong ideas with someone. Yes, me too. I cannot do it just by myself. Like, it just becomes too much of rumination. So in this kind of helps me a lot. And I finally found. How do you call it a prompt? How to make it so that it's not. So it's not like, you know, gaslighting you. [01:26:03] Speaker A: Gaslighting you. Oh, my God. [01:26:04] Speaker B: Thank you. Finally. Yeah, finally. It's like we're talking real. It's not like, you know, oh my God. It's an amazing idea. [01:26:12] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly. Exactly. [01:26:15] Speaker B: So I like it. And we use it. And we recently started using. We're just now implementing it. We started implementing an AI agent that starts talking with people when they have an initial interest with the arc. And this company was like, they approached us and they're like, you have to give it a name and it has to pretend that it's a human. I was like, no, we're going to say that it's an AI and we're going to explain to people why we're doing this because we don't want to lie to people. That it's just like, oh, this is John. And he's. And then in the end of the day, it was not John and John doesn't exist. So our, our. This, this model says, like, hey, I'm. We have a lot of interest in the Ark and for the sake of saving time of the team, I'm like an agent that I can reply to all your questions. And if you want to talk to a person, I will guide you immediately to a person. Because we have, like now more than, I don't know, 50, 60 people a day coming interested in the ARC in whatever extent. Somebody just wants to get like, you know, a little bit of information. Somebody wants to have a whole conversation. And we just don't have a processing power for that. We're not financed by, you know, like, that is good. Huge sales department. We have four people constantly working and showing property and explaining. And I'm meeting with people. But that's a lot of work. So you know that. So therefore we saw the benefit there and we yet don't know. We're testing and trying how it's going to work. But. But I believe there are benefits to it. And I also believe we have to be so conscious about it, so cautious. And it's conscious and cautious. It just doesn't sometimes. I recently heard this yesterday actually at lunch. I heard that some AI agents created social media just for them. [01:28:07] Speaker A: I saw that. I saw that. [01:28:08] Speaker B: I have. I haven't read that and I don't know that. So, like, I only. I'm buying from. I'm selling what I bought. And these people at lunch were sharing that. Yeah. They say agents and now complain about their humans. I'm like, so we know that there is a social media where AI is complaining about humans and we don't find this. Distract. This, like this disturbing. It is this. We're all fine about it. Right. And this is like what. This is like three years after ChatGPT has arrived. Right. So what is going to happen in the next 10 years? And this is. That's where I personally see a potential harm. It's like there are no guardrails. Yeah. [01:28:50] Speaker A: Right now it's a wild west. [01:28:51] Speaker B: It's a wild west and the same wild west that it was with social media. And we see how social media, like, unfolded. And again, that's what we were talking about. Right. Same is happening in AI now. Everybody are running towards this kind of idea of stronger, better models or I believe there is. There is a great scientist, his name is. And I don't want to like Edward Yablonowski. He's an MIT professor and he's the one who's advocating for these guardrails for AI his work. He's great. And I really like whatever his. He talks. I was listening to his podcast with Lex Friedman and I was like, wow, it's truly so. And there were like, questions when Lex asked, like, you know, so how would AI kill humans? Because Lex is like, he's very much advocate for AI and he's like, so how would you say AI would destroy humanity? Which Yevlonoska answered so good. And he's like, if, if whatever, I'm going to tell you how AI would. It's. It's human who thinks AI is so much smarter than me. And we don't know what it's going [01:29:59] Speaker A: to do, we don't know. And I love that answer, too. [01:30:02] Speaker B: I love that so much. [01:30:03] Speaker A: Agreed. [01:30:04] Speaker B: And I'm like, that's true. Like, you know, we don't know what is it going to be, what's going to happen? And maybe. Is it already happening? We don't know. Is it already somewhere in some system which is now creating some conditions which are generating more wars? How do we know? [01:30:21] Speaker A: We don't know. [01:30:22] Speaker B: We don't know exactly. [01:30:23] Speaker A: Yeah. I think we reach a point where it starts to. It can get out. You know, it feels sometimes like it's getting out of control. [01:30:33] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:30:33] Speaker A: I hate to say that. And it's. It's fascinating to see it unfold at this stage. [01:30:38] Speaker B: And, you know, I had this great conversation with ChatGPT. In all. In all honesty, I'm having a lot of amazing conversations. As I said, I'm very mental. I have a lot of conversations with ChatGPT that I just. I just love sometimes. And I had this debate with ChatGPT about if. If AI is nature. And he was like, well, kind of. No. And I'm like, well, if. But if we think about, like, if, like a bee is building a hive, is hive a nature? He's like, yes. I'm like, a human is building a server. Is it nature? He's like, well, if you think about it like this, it is nature, because humans are like, intrinsic part of nature. So, like, so if humans have created AI, then you are nature in a sense. He's like, well, if you put it like this, it is. I am nature. So I'm like, huh? [01:31:27] Speaker A: Really? [01:31:29] Speaker B: So I'm like, I don't know. It's. It's a crazy concept to think about because again, and I am the one, the first advocate to. For like us as being intrinsic part of nature. But then everything that we create technically is nature. The fallacy that we think. And that's a big fallacy. We think that we are the last species in the evolutionary development. [01:31:58] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:31:59] Speaker B: And we are not. [01:32:00] Speaker A: You said the quiet part out loud. I feel like we don't talk about that a lot. [01:32:05] Speaker B: No. Because we want to believe that we're like, oh, we're pinnacle of the evolution of evolution. Which we're not. We suck. We suck. Our difference. The only difference that we have is language. [01:32:17] Speaker A: Yeah. We have. [01:32:18] Speaker B: We are monkeys who know how to talk. There are so many more intuitive species. I have a dog. And the way dogs interact, I'm like, wow. In a second, in one second, from smelling, from this, that they Understand everything if it's an enemy. And the way, like, how whales are communicating. How. [01:32:41] Speaker A: Yeah, bees. Incredible, Incredible, incredible sophistication and the sophistication of their communities, their social structure. It's really fascinating. [01:32:55] Speaker B: And, you know, I learned something recently about. About bees that, like, you know, when a queen dies and then there are, like, princesses. So the princesses, they all fly out from the. From the nest, from the hive. And the men are like, flying after the princess. So whenever some like. And they're separated, like, let's say five groups. So whenever this first, whichever group of men caught their princess and they're bringing her back to the hive, so she becomes a queen. So those four intuitively know that they cannot come back anymore. [01:33:33] Speaker A: No way. I didn't know that. [01:33:35] Speaker B: And I think. I even think that these four queens are. Four princesses are dying. I don't. I don't want to lie, but, like, people can chatgpt and they. But let's talk now about. About us humans being like the most evolved species on Earth. Come on. So our ego. Our ego just programmed us in believing that we are the last ones. But if we think that humans are like, everything that we have created is nature. So maybe there is another species that is going to appear and we just don't want to think about it, and that species might be more caring about nature and whole rather than humans. And that is a scary thing to think about. [01:34:19] Speaker A: Wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow. What a note to transition on. I agree with you. I've actually thought about this a ton, and I think that, yeah, it's humans. We're afraid to acknowledge it. You know, like, we don't. We want to think that we are the pinnacle. I. What I want to do is quickly move us to our true or false. I've got some juicy, juicy true or false questions for you that I can't wait to ask. So I'm going to read off the question and just feel free to answer true or false. And if it's a maybe, feel free to say maybe and let me know why you think it's a maybe. So let's dive in. Regenerative living is more about mindset than land. [01:35:00] Speaker B: True. [01:35:02] Speaker A: Decentralized villages will replace traditional neighborhoods. [01:35:06] Speaker B: True. [01:35:07] Speaker A: Ooh, coming in strong with the truth. Okay, all right, all right. Most people are scared of true freedom. [01:35:17] Speaker B: Yes. True. Yes. [01:35:21] Speaker A: You know, actually, I could see that. I was reading an article. Anyway, I don't want to derail it. [01:35:25] Speaker B: I love it. But we can come back to this question. [01:35:27] Speaker A: I'm breaking the rules. I'm breaking the rules. Wait, wait. Wealth and nature can coexist without guilt. [01:35:37] Speaker B: True wealth, like financial wealth. [01:35:41] Speaker A: I think. What do you think of? I'm actually curious, what's your definition of wealth? [01:35:45] Speaker B: I don't think it's a financial wealth only, but it's. Financial wealth is part of it. But it's wealth in all senses of like abundance of. Yeah. So I think a true nature is not. Nature is naturally abundant and wealthy. [01:35:59] Speaker A: Yeah, I agree. I agree. And I agree. My definition of wealth isn't just monetary or current. It's, you know, collect. It's abundant. Okay. People are more burned out from isolation than from work. [01:36:12] Speaker B: True. Yes, of course. Yes. [01:36:17] Speaker A: Yeah, I can see that. Regenerative villages will become the next major asset class. [01:36:24] Speaker B: Asset class. I have to understand more asset class. What does it mean to say but maybe. Maybe. [01:36:31] Speaker A: Yeah, like financial asset class, you know, like bonds, you know, real estate. [01:36:41] Speaker B: I really hope. No, I really hope. No, I really hope. No, I really hope we won't commoditize it, you know. [01:36:53] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, me too. Me too. Investment driven housing markets are collapsing under their own weight. [01:37:06] Speaker B: Truish. [01:37:08] Speaker A: I love the ish. [01:37:10] Speaker B: I think, I think it's true in the very beginning of the process. You know, it's a long but. [01:37:15] Speaker A: Yeah, this last one. Speaking of wealth, the next form of wealth is belonging. [01:37:22] Speaker B: I would go into false because it's not only belonging. I think wealth is belonging in a lot. Yes, it's a big part of it. But I also believe it's also healthy eating. Not just like organic eating from everyone, but. [01:37:46] Speaker A: Thank you. [01:37:48] Speaker B: Healthy eating from the food that we grow ourselves, you know, and healthy relationships with nature. Healthy relationship and belonging involves healthy relationship with each other for sure. And I also believe it also involves purposeful lives. [01:38:07] Speaker A: I love that. I love that. I love that. I love that. You called out. I was talking to someone the other day about hustle wellness culture. Like we're in this like hustle wellness. Like you know, I gotta go to Erewhon and buy the thing and then, you know, do the like it's was like. It's so wild. It's so overwhelming. [01:38:23] Speaker B: It became commoditized constantly. [01:38:25] Speaker A: Anyway, I digress. I want to move us to our rapid fire here. We've got some spicy questions for you. Would love like a one or two sentence answer to some of these spicy questions. So the first one is a sign that someone is spiritually misaligned. [01:38:42] Speaker B: Hmm. Hmm. And a sign. I feel it's a feeling. It's Like, Like, I wouldn't. Or like, how people can measure themselves if they're spiritually misaligned. Is that the question? Or if, like, how you see the people. [01:38:57] Speaker A: You're like, you know what? They're just. Yeah. [01:39:01] Speaker B: You're like, I think it's. You feel it energetically. It's not something like, it's not. [01:39:09] Speaker A: I agree. [01:39:09] Speaker B: The body. It's not how they. It's like, I. I feel it very much straight away. And we are. Again, sorry. I'm gonna go. Like, you know, these are supposed to be. [01:39:20] Speaker A: I know. But, like, yeah, this one is actually a spicy one on purpose. I, I, Yeah, I believe. [01:39:25] Speaker B: I believe the traumas that we were brought in, like, our generation, we also were brought in to be a lot of, like, empathics, empaths, and. And we're blessed with this, to feel other people. And this is. This is truly a blessing, you know? So I think you feel it straight away when a person is just not there. Their motivation, their approach to life, their motivation is in the wrong place. [01:39:58] Speaker A: I'm breaking the rules. But I want to add this. You know, it's really interesting to me, especially living in Los Angeles, no offense. And I'm not saying I'm perfect at all, so don't take it this way. But I do see people who are like, I'm doing the work and I'm spiritual. But then you. You meet them or you see the way they interact with the world, and it is jarring. It's such a disconnect from what is coming out of their mouth versus the way that they're showing up. And I always find that to be really, really interesting. Of course, people have their bad moments. People are human. But when it's consistent, I find it, you know, I'm fascinated by that. I think it's very, very interesting. [01:40:33] Speaker B: Interesting. [01:40:34] Speaker A: Anyway, I digress. The most overrated idea about living off the land. [01:40:42] Speaker B: Overrated idea. The most overrated idea is that you can. You can magically go on the land and just, like, you can grow food. It's a. It's a science. It's. You have to know so much. They already, they, like, we have this magic, you know, like, oh, and you see, like, a lot on Instagram. I really am laughing at this post. You know, like, from one acre of land, you can feed the family of 10 people and live happily, merry ever after. Like, who writes these things? Like, try to grow a potato, like, one carrot. Like, come on, guys. Like, you have, like. And, like, truly organically and, like, you know, so Like I think it's really like overrated ideas that. Yeah. Like we don't know how to do that. We're very disconnected from that. But with certain help it can happen. [01:41:42] Speaker A: Next one. A ritual that you swear by. [01:41:47] Speaker B: Ritual that I swear by many, many. I think it's inevitable spending time with my dog as much as it is. It sounds like I have a street dog, he's from Mexico. And it's completely. The universe brought us together for me truly understand love and I think for him as well. And this is. I start the day with him and I finish the day with him and it's just like I just like the immense gratitude and like you know, every. My meditation like, you know, I'm like I'm so grateful for that. I. That this, this, this being has chosen me as his steward. And we are just walking this life together and how much we can give this love to each other, it is just insane. And definitely a ritual like them my mornings are for me. Like if I don't start my mornings, I'm. I'm very a routine kind of guy in the morning especially. So if I don't do everything that I'm like, you know, it's like a warm water with lemon, my probiotics, brushing teeth with my left hand, Cold shower meditation. Yeah. There are like things that I'm like, like then like, you know, it's like papaya seeds on empty stomach. And like in all of this if I don't feel, if I don't follow something then I feel like kind of missing place during the dates. I'm addicted to my morning routine. [01:43:22] Speaker A: I love papaya seeds on an empty stomach. I haven't. [01:43:25] Speaker B: It's. If you, you should be careful if you're a women when they're pregnant. [01:43:30] Speaker A: Okay. [01:43:30] Speaker B: Papaya seeds are very strong actually it's a great remedy if you also dry them and use them instead of black pepper. So like you just like refill them. So they have. They're very strong in anti parasites and they help cleansing the gut. So if you have troubles with constipation, it's amazing. The best way to chew them, they're horrible to chew because they truly taste like. Like black pepper. So imagine like chewing a lot of black pepper is like nothing I just swallow. It has less effect. But still like, you know, daily and especially living in the tropics, it's like parasites and things. It's just a great remedy. [01:44:08] Speaker A: Interesting. Gotta check that out. [01:44:09] Speaker B: Nature. Nature has all the answers for us. [01:44:11] Speaker A: All the answers. All the answers. Next one. A Lesson you learn the hard way. [01:44:19] Speaker B: Trust. Don't easily trust. Yeah. [01:44:25] Speaker A: Interesting one belief about success that no longer serves you. [01:44:36] Speaker B: That money can only be be made in a dirty way. [01:44:45] Speaker A: Yeah. I feel like that's a lot of people have that money belief like oh you have to like screw people over. [01:44:50] Speaker B: I had, I had it for so long and that created a lot of unhealthy relationship with. With money and that created a lot of conditioning where you know like in the moments of spiritual growth, you know and like disconnect. Oh no money. Oh [01:45:08] Speaker A: no. [01:45:08] Speaker B: I'm sitting here on top of the mountain meditating what money. So you know, so it resulted a lot on me like you know multiplied on X patterns of unworthiness when like you know like not understanding how to charge how to talk with people about money and multiplied on this kind of like we carry a lot of very heavy programming around money. [01:45:33] Speaker A: Yeah we do. [01:45:34] Speaker B: And intimacy and intimacy in the sense of sex and our desires and openness and that's a whole another episode that we can make. I'm happy to do that. [01:45:46] Speaker A: You need to come back. We have so much more and I know that we're almost at time man. So many more things. I want to ask you a few more rapid fire questions that intimacy one wow. We need to do another episode on that. So much to unpack there. I'm curious what's a wellness trend that you actually like? [01:46:04] Speaker B: I love the wellness trend of disconnect of people going into saunas. I love it. [01:46:09] Speaker A: Me too. [01:46:10] Speaker B: Saunas saved my life. Wow. Like something like 15 years ago I was on a mental breakdown and was like lowest part of point of my life and it really saved my mental health and I'm bringing back this routine into my life and also I love how it became playful, you know how it the same Gen Z and I really have the faith in that generation and I don't know I mix them now Gen Z or another generation but I really have faith in them. We are very troubled and hurt and they are believe the ones that like I really love that people stop drinking alcohol. I don't drink alcohol since I was 25. My father passed away from alcohol. He was alcoholic for 13 years since I was 12, 25 he passed away. So I stopped drinking after a month that he passed away. And I really believe that there is a larger evil behind the promotion of alcohol in the world. I'm complete conspiracy theorist there where I believe that there is an evil behind that and pushing people towards that just to numb people as much as they can. And it's the same forces that, that were trying to prohibit psychedelics for so long. So yeah. So I really love seeing that the Gen Z or like new generation, they drink way less. And I'm like, yes. So that soundness and cold plunges. And I also, you know what I like? I like that wellness stopped being performative in a sense of like in self of sanctity. You know, they were like this time like maybe like something like three years ago, it stopped being like, you know, when wellness inevitably was like these goddesses walking on land. [01:48:02] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. [01:48:04] Speaker B: And I lived in Tulum. I've seen it all. Yes, I'm sure I've seen it all. Like white clothes and like, you know, the glow and the, and the, and the language and oh, oh my God. [01:48:19] Speaker A: Like this ethereal oh my God. [01:48:22] Speaker B: And just like, and the whole conversation around it like, you know, I hear you my dear soul. Can we just be humans? Can we just like. And I love that it became just like it's a part of my daily life. I'm just a human being that just living healthy, that's it. Taking care of myself, it's just like became like part of my, of my life and that's who I am. I'm a healthy human being. Oh, thank you so much. [01:48:51] Speaker A: I agree, I agree, I agree. I feel like we're, and we're realizing that it's not about doing more or buying more. You know, wellness is different. You know, it's nature, it's sauna, it's community, it's those types of things actually contribute to a life that feels well by whatever, wherever you are in the journey. I want to ask you one last rapid fire question. So one thing you think that modern society gets totally wrong about happiness. [01:49:27] Speaker B: Well, nothing has changed and it's not definitely me who said that and who thinks that and I'm just following and I, I truly believe it. So that we believe that happiness somewhere there and it's going to happen in some certain moment in time if I or a person is going to obtain certain qualities or amount of money or amount or relationship or whatsoever, you know, that happiness is some destination that like conditional destination. Whereas we just, just have to get back to the idea that happiness is there. It's just like you like the fact that you are alive, that we're alive and this rock that's flying through cosmos and it's all like that create that is like in the dense energetical fields. Like what, like if you, if you're not happy in that Nothing's gonna make you happy. [01:50:22] Speaker A: Even just the probability of you being born. Like sometimes I think about that. I'm like, like, wow, craziness. Like craziness. [01:50:31] Speaker B: And then there is, and then there is. I think it's also like, you know, when, when we are, like when we are start thinking too much about us, that's when we become unhappy because like, you know, that's like you and how people are relate to you and how somebody looked at me, blah, blah, blah. Who are you? Remember like, you know, like the universe that created you in this particular moment in time, in this particular place and the whole the shadows and gifts and that it gifted to you. What? Why has this happened? And that's the happiness when it's right there. When we understand why this has happened and we just like discovered that because like then everything is a miracle. [01:51:13] Speaker A: Everything's a miracle. I love that. Oh my goodness. We have our next section, but before we do, I want to do a time check. Do you have an egg? [01:51:22] Speaker B: I do. [01:51:22] Speaker A: Okay. [01:51:23] Speaker B: Okay. [01:51:23] Speaker A: I could talk to you forever. I want to make sure we go because I have some other I love this goodies to ask you. Okay, so we're going to transition to breaking down wild trends. So what we do is we scour Instagram, TikTok and we try to figure out like, what are the wild trends that people are talking about out there. I've got three interesting ones for you. So this first one, people have been selling these 10 minute villages. Have you seen, I don't know if you've seen this on TikTok and micro homesteads on TikTok. So there's like these, you know, hey, you can quickly put up a village or your micro homestead. Do you think that this is reality or fantasy? [01:52:02] Speaker B: Fantasy. No, it's reality. Really? [01:52:07] Speaker A: No. Why, why do you. [01:52:09] Speaker B: They are selling micro home villages. [01:52:12] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. On TikTok you could say, oh yeah, here's that. You could buy this 10 minute village and you have your own, you know, you set up and you know, boom, boom, boom. There you go. [01:52:23] Speaker B: Really? I want to see that. [01:52:28] Speaker A: I know, I saw this too. And I'm like, to me, it misses the point. To be honest, it misses the point. It's like, you know, commodity thinking again, you know, And I love what you were saying. Like community, connection, regenerating the land, trying to actually like grow a potato or, you know, like it actually takes time and thought and, you know, connection. And this shouldn't feel like another like McDonald's thing. [01:52:54] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:52:55] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. I just like whipped up My community. Like there we go. [01:52:57] Speaker B: Exactly. [01:52:57] Speaker A: That's not the point, you know. Anyway, the other one I keep seeing are these AI integrated eco villages. So going back to our conversation a bit about AI. Is this a legit new model or digital utopia marketing? [01:53:14] Speaker B: I think it can have. It can happen to a certain extent. I saw this meme, not me, but I don't know, like a little picture thing when there was like kind of humans and robots and AI can coexist in perf. In. In perfection kinda. And there was like among people just hanging out and talking and robots were cutting the grass and something like, you know, there were like some sensors that were watering. In a sense we are doing this. So like for example, our. And I know that it has supposed to be quick, I'll try to make it quick. But our irrigation system for instance, we're looking at like. And that was manual. Now we're changing it to something with the timers that has a solar panel. And it has. It's kind of in a sense small little intelligence on its own way where it will liberate a lot of the time of our guys so that they can do other work. And this is like, you know, in the integration of certain technologies. So. So whenever there is going to be an appear some sort of an AI which is going to measure the soil and depending on that it's going to utilize water better. For example, I just invented it. I'm just measuring it on ourselves. I would say, yeah, why not? Let's try. Because then maybe it's a good thing. The another thing again is other guardrails. Or maybe this AI will just destroy our soil whenever it will decide to though. [01:54:30] Speaker A: Yeah, that's the true facts. Yeah, that's the thing. It's like weighing the, you know, there's benefits but then like what are. What are the controls to keep, you know, things moving in harmony? I want to ask you this last one. Sovereign living influencers. I don't know if you've seen some of these, some of these people on, you know, Tik Tok Instagram, they've. They're selling this idea that freedom requires total disconnection. Do you think that this is helpful or harmful? [01:55:03] Speaker B: Harmful? I don't think that freedom requires disconnection. I think it is like staying connected is that we. And this is the escapism, right. That we were talking about. It's just like people who are selling these ideas because the idea that it's not about leaving hippies in the jungle anymore, it's not about running away from the society. It's not about jumping out and not being part of that, but how can you have that internal backbone so strong that you're free, that you can actually bring the positive change into the world from the sane and healthy foundation? [01:55:49] Speaker A: Right. So yeah, love it, love it, love it. What we're going to do next, we're going to jump into the Reddit rabbit hole. So we specifically go to Reddit and we curate some questions and subreddits that relate to a bit of what you're doing or, you know, your area of expertise. So, gosh, we have some really interesting ones that I can't wait to ask you. This first one was found in the farming subreddits. We're going to get a little bit into the nitty gritty about farming and this person asks, what are some problems facing regenerative farming and agriculture? Are there specific reasons why farmers aren't switching from conventional to regenerative agriculture, despite the evidence that shows that regenerative agriculture. Whoops. Improves the quality of soil and outputs produced? What are your thoughts about that? Like, why aren't, what are some of the problems that you're seeing, you know, in the way that you guys are, you know, approaching regenerative farming and agriculture? And you know, why aren't, why do you think that people aren't switching over? [01:56:54] Speaker B: I think people are switching. It's just not happening at the. So like, from the majority of. Like, if we take all 100% of farmlands in the world, less than 3% are regenerative of agriculture. So this is disturbing. But at the same time, the growth that the farmlands are converting into regenerative agriculture is pretty substantial from year to year. It's very small. The thing is you're going from zero and then you grow to 1% and then you grow in that 1%, you grow 50%, but it's still 1.5. So it's a very small relative to the, to the rest. Another thing is that of course Monsanto is there. You know, the glyphosate is there. There are strong powers that don't want. As we were talking. Right. Yeah. Wet soap. [01:57:52] Speaker A: So they're like this. [01:57:55] Speaker B: They're like this. And that's happening. I believe it's, it's. And the demand is creating the offer. So like the more we are going to be as purchases, like buying. We're voting with our money for the future that we want to see. Right. So the moment we are not going to be going to, I don't know whatsoever, supermarkets but we're just going to the farmer markets and just going to be like when the farm, when we're in incentivizing the farmers to grow organically, they're going to be doing it. It's not an easiest business. We started our farm in June 22. We have 15 acre farm with 4 acres by intensive production and the rest is a fruit forest. And this is the first year that we're starting monetizing and as much as people want to buy, but it's a very challenging work. You know, know it's a lot of like to grow the biodiversity, to improve the soil, to improve the seeds, not to not you obviously we're not using any fertilizers or anything. So at the moment we recently had, recently had. How do you call it? Like a mushroom? Not a mushroom in English, I'm thinking in Spanish. Not a mushroom. But it's like, it's like a plague. Yeah, fungus. Thank you. Fungus. And it ate. We were at around like 20% loss of our harvest always due to like it's a normal thing. And we came to down to 50% because this fungus ate a lot of vegetables. And we're reacting, we're changing it now. But this is the thing. It's like the fungus was in the soil so we had to change a lot of the soil. So like conventional agriculture would just spill over chemicals and you just kill it all. But when you're doing it with authenticity and integrity, you just cannot afford to be doing something like this. So we are very susceptible to so many different factors. You have to understand how to work with nature. And there a lot is happening. So it's going to happen. I believe we're going to eventually come back to regenerative agriculture globally. And again we don't talk, we won't need as much farmland as it is now. But at the same time there are also other forces which in the world which are like people who think that indoor farming is better because they want to grow food indoors. And this is very popular now in Europe which is like the investment investments are looking into like new ways because the, the farming investments are. It's not very profitable. It's not like, you know, so like as much as, as long as we are not going to change our mindset about the energy of money that we're investing if we're expecting like, you know, oh, it's an investment with 5x in 10 years, regenerative agriculture is never going to give you this, this is like very slow money if at all. So therefore Investors are looking into this new models, how they're going to create food and like, you know, get rich more quick. So it's going to happen. It's going to take time. [02:01:21] Speaker A: Yeah, it's going to take time, you know, and actually that's really interesting that we're on this because the second question that we found in the Reddit rabbit hole was in the agriculture subreddit and someone actually asked, asked, is regenerative farming being oversold as a climate solution? What do you think about that? [02:01:40] Speaker B: Oversold as a climate solution, huh? I don't think it. One has to do with another for sure, but I don't think it is oversold and I don't think it is a climate solution, to be honest. I don't think it's oversold as a climate change solution. Why? Because again, it's true that it is contributing logically, right, to the conventional farming. And imagine, like for, for everybody who's listening or watching, what is conventional farming, right? It's like what, it's a monoculture which people are clearing the land and then it's a monoculture with a lot of glyphosate or whatever, fertilizers and everything which destroys any biodiversity in the land, which degrades the soil and therefore you're creating these huge spaces of land which don't have life practically. So whenever there is no life, then there is obviously climate disruption in that. So of course if you bring permaculture or syntropic farming that traditionally has different species growing next to each other and then you kind of pushing biodiversity towards, towards being there, then of course it's like, then it's just nature and then there is way more self regulation. So there is definitely of course climate solution, but I don't think it's oversold as a climate climate solution. [02:03:07] Speaker A: Very interesting. This next one was actually in the real estate investing subreddit, this one, Very, very interesting. Someone asked what is the real estate realistic future of fractional ownership? So they go on to say, I had never heard of fractional ownership until a few months ago when it was brought up to me. It's been explained to me enough times that I feel like the people explaining aren't hearing themselves. You're buying real estate, not time, sure, but it's still ultimately divided up by time. The appeal of having part ownership in an assumed to be expensive piece of property maybe sense, especially in comparison to the price of a timeshare that you use once a week out of the year. So this person's talking about the timeshare. But I know you, you know, you guys talk about fractional ownership too. So I'm so curious on your thoughts. Yeah, they go on to go and say the rest though. Seems like it has the potential for a massive headache. What happens when the multi million dollar home inevitably needs repairs and all the owners need to agree on what to do on what needs to be done or who to hire or when multiple owners want to use the property in the same time frame? Or if you decide you want to sell your portion, who realistically would want to buy your 1/4, whatever it may be. So the person concludes with what is the future of a high end timeshare? That's not a timeshare. The reason I'm bringing this to you is because I know that you talk about fractional ownership and I'm just curious on what you think is the future of fractional ownership. [02:04:33] Speaker B: I think it's a now. So like to explain it maybe to the audience that doesn't know. Right. So like fractional ownership is the model of owning an asset in portions. And these portions can be whatever and this asset can be anything. It can be, and it normally is applied to high value assets like a plane or a yacht or a mansion or I don't know what. Or like, like maybe even jewelry. I don't know. Could be. Why not? [02:05:05] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You see like those companies, like handbag companies that I guess there's not ownership but you kind of, you know, people share amongst each other. Like I've seen that kind of thing too. [02:05:15] Speaker B: Yeah, like could be. I'm just now thinking about like some like expensive, maybe like jewelry with diamonds and it costs, I don't know, $10 million and you're going to be wearing it once a year. So why would you like, you know, why would you pay 10 when you can just pay 1 and then you like between you, you're like just wearing it once, once a year. That's it actually. Great idea. [02:05:35] Speaker A: I was like, wait a second, does that exist? [02:05:40] Speaker B: I don't know. But if it doesn't, we should make it. [02:05:42] Speaker A: Yeah, right, done. New business started. [02:05:45] Speaker B: Yes. So in, in real estate and why we have created fractional ownership is that we understand that Santa Teresa is a transient place. A lot of people who live here, they live places and they like to be, they like to be free. They like to not have fixed time. When they want to stay here or there, they always travel between places. So they kind of want to also sometimes make the first time real estate investment and they want to generate return on their investment. Another option is that sometimes people like have, I don't know, $40,000 and with this they're like, okay, what can I buy on 40,000? But realistically, can I buy that? It generates some sort of a return. And then also people don't want to deal with a lot of things that this person was asking of like property management or whatsoever. So we have created a fractional ownership as a model of entering into the ARK ecosystem and we find it very successful. A lot of people joining it and they love it. We're now building our first project and in general for the like, for the future of fractional ownership, I believe it's great. It's not the ultimate first model of the first house. Obviously it is not created to be. So it's like more of like your vacational house or your second or third or your tool for your real estate investment. Because if you need a place where you going to live constantly, then obviously you cannot be sharing this place with somebody else. But as a second or third place where you're living or you're spending time, that is a great thing. I always measure things on myself kinda and I really don't like to deal ever with any sort of maintenance or any sorts of hospitality relationship if I have a property or, you know, so like I would prefer somebody to be taking care of everything and just paying them out and just like, you know, like so, so fractional ownership is this. It's like the reason always an administrator, a management company, and then there are like some amount of people who own things. So they practically you're giving or entitling this administrator to take care of the property and they're taking care of all the headaches and you're just coming and spending time and leaving and whenever you are not there, this administrator is renting out the property for you and you're making return on your investment. So that's more or less how it works. And I believe it's not the ultimate future of real estate, but it's one of the models. And there was also a question about selling and differentiation with timeshare. It does have the same model where like you're ultimately buying a fraction of something and this fraction allows you to spend a certain amount of time on the property which you bought, right? So let's say so you're buying 1/12 of the house so you can stay one month a year in this house. And then the difference with timeshare is that timeshare you could not, you did not own. And that was the scam of it. You did not own the real estate. So real estate would grow in price, but the price of your share of your timeshare was not growing. So you, let's say, so you buy something for $10,000, then you want to sell it in 10 years and it's still $10,000. Right. But then in 10 years the inflation has eaten a lot of that. The real estate has grown so that the company that owned real estate, they still own real estate, but you got. So they kinda now having an asset through which they can leverage and get the capital and whatsoever or sell the assets and you're kind of staying with nothing and actually losing the money. [02:09:52] Speaker A: Yeah, you're losing. Right, exactly. [02:09:54] Speaker B: The difference with fractional ownership is that you're actually owning part of the company that owns real estate. So the more real estate grows in price, the more whenever you are going to sell your share, the more your share costs. So if you bought a house, let's say, so that costed hundred thousand dollars between 10 friends and you all chipped in $10,000 and then in five years you're selling it and now it costs $200,000. So each share now cost $20,000. [02:10:20] Speaker A: Right, right, right, right. So that's the ultimate difference appreciation, which is key, you know, and wealth building and. [02:10:25] Speaker B: Exactly. And real estate investment. Right, yeah, yeah. So that's that. [02:10:30] Speaker A: Yeah, I love it. I want to ask this last one actually speaking about like you know, living community, this last one is really, really interesting. Someone posted in the Simple Living subreddit communal living experiences. So they say, hi simple living, have you ever lived in a commune, eco village or communalized shared housing? Was it as you expected? Should we consider a return to communal living as a society or just as members of the symbol of being subreddit to combat the divisive and isolating effects of the US UK Western dream to own property. So speaking of owning property, spending our lives maintaining it and living in a more or less nuclear unit? Or is communal living romanticized and overhyped freak dominated by petty politics and an introvert's nightmare? So this is very interesting. [02:11:28] Speaker B: That's a very good one. [02:11:30] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're ending on a big note with this one. [02:11:34] Speaker B: On a big note there is a little bit of everything and I definitely want to say people have to do their research. We're coming back to something so essential as just like day to day living. And remember about this kind of inversion point and I don't know what is the ultimate and the best way, how people are supposed to live. I believe as many people, I always say as many doors, as many keys, but I truly believe that there are enough people who are choosing and more and more people who are choosing to live by knowing their neighbors and actually co creating something we recognizing. And remember I told you, like, we don't call ourselves an intentional community because I believe intentional communities, the name was harmed a lot in the process and in general, community was like overused. We are a village and I believe villages is the way. And the village is like, it's not necessarily that you're friends with everyone in the village. Village is just like you live together, you know your neighbors. You understand there is a social dynamic happening. Communities kind of automatically implies we're all living in peace and paradise. Which. Which is. [02:13:11] Speaker A: Yeah, why do you call that out? I'm so glad. Because people have this like, utopian, oh, I'm gonna live in the community. Everyone's gonna be friends. We're gonna sing Kumbaya. [02:13:22] Speaker B: Exactly. Dance around the fire, have cacao ceremonies. Yeah, whatever. That's not gonna be happening. Like, the human dynamics are there. And I think we call ourselves a village for creators and creatives and we are entrepreneurial village. So remember I was sharing how we're splitting the profit among all residents and we have objectives and mission that goes outside of Costa Rica, outside of the arc, we're planning to make our own guest houses in the world. We're doing the ARC trips. We're growing global community. We are planning to help others to build villages similar to the ARK in different places in the world. We all have, to a certain extent, our role and we all play different roles. And this takes away a lot of dynamic from interrelational dynamic. Because then immediately you're like, I'm creating something so I don't have. After Leo Tolstoy, a very famous Russian writer, was saying, all problems in the head are from doing nothing. [02:14:33] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I love that. Yes, that Tulsa quote. [02:14:37] Speaker B: Yeah. And so like, you know, so that that's the true. And that's like all problems in the community. Because community, the only thing that communities are doing, they're talking about communities and, and the moment. The more you're gonna go in the nitty gritty of it, like, oh, so how Sarah is going to relate to John now. Oh, my God, let's just please start building the world that we all believe in. And like, you know, and that's just like it. Human conflicts and human things are all going to be sorted out. It's just like we don't. We definitely have to work on ourselves as personalities, as personal growth and collective growth. Yes. We have to understand ourselves as part of a whole and nature and whole of each other and develop compassion towards each other and to ourselves and just constantly create and co create. And then it's going to remove so much already. And I'm not saying that it's going to eliminate it completely, but it's going to remove so much. [02:15:33] Speaker A: Agree. I couldn't agree more. Love it, love it, love it. Our final segment. Oh, my goodness, it's been such a treat. I can't believe we're in our final segment. I want to ask you what is in the bag? So we have you showcase something that is special to you, something that you use in your work. So not what's in your bag. [02:15:55] Speaker B: It's a very simple thing. I have this pendant. I don't know if you'll be able to see it. It's a very simple pendant. It's a very simple pendant. [02:16:04] Speaker A: And it has rating, right? [02:16:07] Speaker B: Yes, it actually. And it says. It's a barcode, to be honest. And it says integrity. And every, every day that I wear it, I look at it and I'm like, integrity. And it's my reminder of everyday reminder of my main value that I develop in myself every day. And the main value that I value in people. And it's just like, you know, it's just like integrity. And it's just like something that is like my compass and my personal hack of everyday life. [02:16:41] Speaker A: I love that. I love that. I love the visual reminder of it and, you know, like, using it to kind of ground yourself in that value is a North Star. That's beautiful. Oh, my goodness. Marat, where can people find the arc online? If someone's interested in getting involved, what are some steps that they can. They can take to get involved? And what else are you guys working on? Like what other new cool things? [02:17:04] Speaker B: Well, we are definitely at our website, I think is the best way to connect with us. It's the arc world, the same. We have the same Instagram handle. And I think these are the best two best ways to communicate with us. We're working on so many things. It's, you know, another great conversation that I always having with ChatGPT is like, if, if a modern nose arc would exist, what would. What. What would it have? And it constantly gives me interesting ideas, what has to be included into the project. And one of those. Well, as I said, we just recently opened our center for Conscious Learning. We are opening a music recording studio which is going to be fully analog. We're working with an amazing six times Grammy award winning music engineer. His name is Russell Elevado and he's working fully on analog equipment. And our second co founder is Jeff Claes, he's from Belgium and he's also working on analog equipment. So we want to preserve the sound, the beauty of music in the sound on tapes. We're working on our wellness and spa and our co creation lounge. We're working on Ark Ventures which is is going to be. We don't like to use say accelerator but people don't have a better word yet for like regenerative startups. [02:18:29] Speaker A: Okay. [02:18:29] Speaker B: Oh cool. And we're working on functional medicine Health center which is going to combine ancient wisdom together with scientific advancements so we could prove to people that this type of living can have measured results. And actually just by living in community and connection in eating, eating from the land, working with the land, being in the sun, swimming in the ocean can actually improve all so many like you know, all like the biomarkers and your HRV and all of those things. And we know that many people won't believe till something is measured. That's how we are wired. Especially men. [02:19:15] Speaker A: Yeah, no offense to you guys, no [02:19:16] Speaker B: offense to us guys, no offense. That's just how we are. So we want to be measuring that and we want to show that you don't have to apply all fancy tools, wellness things, toys. You just have to take care of the base and the base is already going to be great. [02:19:37] Speaker A: I love so wild that you, you know like you ended here because I actually have been writing about this. You know one of the things for Wells S I created a show called in the Name of Beauty where I traveled around and tried different modalities, different ancient technologies and it's incredible the profound impacts of like sauna or water just swimming in the ocean. Like you see people who swim in the ocean every day and they're just wow, you know, heat as you're talking about sauna, rhythm, community, like those types of things and you know, being in nature and you know plants and having that as a foundation, you know, is key. And I think that we've forgotten that foundation is the first part. Like you can't just keep trying to add on things and you haven't created that foundation and you've hit you like as you're. You checked the box and all the things that I believe too. It's, it's exactly that and there is [02:20:40] Speaker B: sunlight there is a big one. And if you want to research that is working with your hands, with the soil and the microbiome that you're getting from the soil that gets into your body through the food that you're eating with your food, with your hands. [02:20:58] Speaker A: Right? [02:20:58] Speaker B: And it's just like how it just like affects you, affects your microbiome in your gut and how all that is going and affecting, of course, your brain and certain in production and everything. This is huge. [02:21:11] Speaker A: Amazing. I need to do more read that. That needs to be added to this writing journey I'm on. [02:21:16] Speaker B: It's a whole chapter that you're opening for yourself. I'm happy that you'll have it in your book. [02:21:22] Speaker A: Amazing, amazing, amazing, amazing. Murat, this has been beyond a delight. I feel like I could talk to you forever. We'll have to have you back on so we could talk more about all [02:21:31] Speaker B: the things we have. So many things to talk about. [02:21:33] Speaker A: So many things to talk about. Wow, I am just so grateful. Thank you for just inspiring us with a different way of living and, you know, doing the work in order to surrender your ego to create something that will have lasting impact in the world. So grateful and just thank you for coming on the podcast and being vulnerable and sharing.