WHY YOUR WORKOUTS AREN'T WORKING | "THE WELLZEST PODCAST" WITH ARIEL HOFFMAN, HEALTH COACH

[00:00:00] Speaker A: Foreign. Welcome back to the Wells that's podcast. I am thrilled because we have Arielle Hoffman here. She and I have been chatting. Oh, my gosh. We're going to actually clue you into everything that we're chatting about, but I want to introduce you to Arielle before we get started. So Arielle is a wellness coach, master fitness trainer, and the founder of Arielle Hoffman Wellness, a platform that is redefining strength and. And success looks like for high achieving women. With a background in professional dance and fitness training, Arielle brands science, movement and mindset to help women break free from burnout, rediscover their bodies, and build sustainable wellness practices that go beyond numbers on a scale. Her approach is grounded in compassion, discipline and empowerment, helping clients reconnect with energy, resilience, and a sense of joy. That joy is key. And I was just saying Ariel is a light of joy. And we're just like having a hoot, a pure hoot, chatting about all the things we were chatting about France and our shared mutual desire to pretty much roll out and move to France for part of the year. [00:01:11] Speaker B: Absolutely. [00:01:12] Speaker A: You know, I just think, you know, to kind of dive back into where we were talking about. So long story short, we're talking about how, you know, living in Europe, Ariel studied abroad in Italy. You learn so much about, you know, food and culture and walking and like, you know, I would say, how can I say? Like, just lifestyle, you know. [00:01:32] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:01:33] Speaker A: I just feel like every time I'm in France, you know, the lifestyle is centered around connection. And, you know, you see, I love seeing tables of people sitting out at a cafe enjoying the coffee. I remember the first time I actually went to Italy, I asked for coffee to go and the woman was like, American alert. Like, [00:01:56] Speaker B: absolutely. But you know, what else comes to mind when I think of living like a European. [00:02:02] Speaker A: Yes. [00:02:03] Speaker B: Is at least on the surface, de stress. Like, there's. The level of stress is very different. [00:02:14] Speaker A: Agree. [00:02:14] Speaker B: Couldn't be more. And I think that's what we're after these days is like, what can we do to de stress? Okay, yes, I'm going to live in another country. But why? Like, what is it that you're after? And I think it's, it's that it's. How can we take the stress out of our lives? You know, in America, it's known that we work to live 100%. [00:02:38] Speaker A: Yes. [00:02:38] Speaker B: Like, everything is about achieving, doing your best, like all the time. You're always turned on. Failure's not an option. I mean, these are the ideals that were instilled in me, work with. But so, yeah, so I think it's, it's bringing it back to how do we live with, work with these other aspects in our life. And I think you said at the beginning too, joy, like, how do we keep the joy in our lives? [00:03:10] Speaker A: I couldn't agree more. You know, it's so interesting to me because I'm going to share a story and call myself out. We were in France visiting my boyfriend's family. You know, they live in the south of France. And we were there literally sun up till sundown on our laptops, like, ting, ting, ting, ting, ting. And his mom was like, she's like, what's wrong with you guys? Like, you're like just all day, like crouched over, like, why are you, why aren't you guys out and living? And she's like, you know, entertaining cl, like for her, you know, for her business. She's like entertaining clients and, you know, enjoying and really. And I realized, like, that's, you know, there's this performance mindset that I appreciate here because I do feel like from an economic opportunity perspective, there's so much in the United States. [00:03:57] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:03:58] Speaker A: But the lifestyle and that, you know, like savoring and, you know, taking a break from the laptop. Like sometimes I feel like you might as well just glue my hands to the laptop because it's like this all day and it's like, yeah, why? Why is that the standard, I feel like here? And, you know, how could we do better? I'd be curious, in your experience living abroad, what are some of the things you think in terms of like wellness and mindset and fitness? People in Europe or other places do better than we do here? [00:04:30] Speaker B: That's a good question. I mean, I haven't lived in Europe in many, many years. And so it's a very different place now, I'm sure, than it was when I was there. But I think their everyday life caters to what so many of us here are just trying so hard to achieve. [00:04:52] Speaker A: For sure. [00:04:52] Speaker B: And they just do it, you know, it's not absurd. If you like take a walk. [00:04:59] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:05:00] Speaker B: Around the block or you're walking a lot all the time. That's what they do. [00:05:05] Speaker A: Right, Right. [00:05:07] Speaker B: In agriculture, you know, they'll be working on their farms or in their wineries or they're outside a lot. You know, so a lot of that is just built into their culture. [00:05:17] Speaker A: Right. [00:05:18] Speaker B: And like we had just touched upon culture here is very performance based. And that just leads into the effect of like, why can't I. Why can't I take care of myself. Like, why is it so hard to take care of myself? [00:05:37] Speaker A: Exactly, exactly. [00:05:38] Speaker B: You know, which segues me and saying, you know, people say, I mean, you hear it everywhere, right? Don't eat sugar, exercise, eat well, take care of yourself. It's so easy. But why is it so hard for [00:05:54] Speaker A: people to do that? [00:05:55] Speaker B: And that's the question that I help people answer for themselves. But that is the question that you need to ask yourself is why is it so difficult for me to do these basic things? Yeah, seemingly basic things. [00:06:10] Speaker A: What do you. What do you hear from your clients? Because, you know, yeah, we all hear this, that, you know, work out, eat healthy, drink more water. No, you know, limit sugar. What do you hear from your clients? Like, why, when they come to you, why are they struggling with those principles? [00:06:28] Speaker B: Well, I mean, a lot of it is based on just the pressure of life. Depending on the phase of life they're in, whether someone's climbing the ladder, corporate ladder, or they've started a family and they're climbing the ladder, or they just started a family, it doesn't matter what it is. But it's usually time, right? Like, time is the biggest constraint that people have and are faced with. And then also just all of the noise that's out there, again, it's seemingly basic, Eat well and exercise. Okay. But around each of those things is [00:07:07] Speaker A: like a million options, 100%. [00:07:09] Speaker B: And not only that, people have tried many of those options, hasn't worked for them. So then they're frustrated and they've been on the yo yo diets, like all cycle for maybe decades. And it's just confusion. It's diet confusion, exercise confusion. Like, what do I do? It's almost. There's so much information, it's paralyzing. And then you bring that back to, well, I don't have time to like, do all try that new workout or try that new diet and all of that. It's too much. So bringing it back in back, more inward to figuring out what it is that you need where you are in life right now and align those things. Because that's the biggest mistake people make too, is they have these goals that they set for themselves, perfectly legitimate goals, but they're completely misaligned with the capacity they have where they are in their lives. And when you have that misalignment, you have unrealistic expectations. You start trying all the things, they're not working, and then you're stuck. [00:08:17] Speaker A: Yes, for sure. I love that you said alignment there, because I feel like there's Times in my life where I've been like, oh, okay, I'm gonna, you know, I'm gonna give you an example. I was trying to do the 75 hard challenge. Have you heard that? [00:08:29] Speaker B: This challenge, there's so many challenges. [00:08:32] Speaker A: Please share. What is this challenge, friends? I'm not recommending this challenge. I'm just gonna say, like, you know, like, I think I forget the name of the guy who created this challenge. I'm not promoting him either, but I just want to make this disclaimer. But anyhow, this challenge is 75 days where you work out twice a day, you, like, do some type of diet, you drink a gallon of water, you read 10 pages of a book, you take a photo or something like that. And I was like, okay, I'm gonna do this challenge because, you know, I really, for me, I. I walk every day. I really wanted to, like, integrate more strength training and, you know, like some other type of workout. I was like, okay, I'm going to do this whole thing. But where I was in a place where we were, like, in a tough sales cycle in the business. You know, we're launching and planning the podcast. I had a class I was taking. I was about to travel. It was a full and complete wrap. There was no way I was going to actually be doing this 75 day challenge. And I just had to shut it. I was like, you know what? This is not aligned with where I am in my life and like, the other things that are going on, it's just not going to work. And. And I feel like giving yourself grace versus being, you know, I was like, okay, we gotta figure out another game plan versus trying to, you know, strong my strong arm my way through. [00:09:46] Speaker B: Exactly. [00:09:47] Speaker A: And I had to let it go. I was like, I'm gonna have to let it go this time. I'm gonna come back and. Or I'm gonna modify it and let it be okay. You know, as long as I'm being disciplined with something, I'm okay with it. So anyway, that's. Yeah. [00:09:59] Speaker B: Thank you for sharing that. That happens to a lot of people, though. And I think, you know, there's all these different challenges out there, and sometimes people can stick with something for 30 days, but then what happens after the 30 days is gone? Like, most people going back to your original question too, about what clients come to me for is like, well, I did this 30 day challenge and it worked for me, but then, then I stopped it and then I gained all the way back or then these habits. Then now I'm doing this Again, and I don't know. I don't know what to do. And it's like, well, so if you haven't built a foundation of habits that is going to sustain you through different types and periods of your life, different periods of your life, it doesn't matter what challenge you do, it'll be fun, it'll be effective for the time being. [00:10:44] Speaker A: Right? [00:10:45] Speaker B: Which is great. But what do you do after that? So what do you do when the support is no longer there? And that's where people fumble, and that's where people fall off their wagons. That's where people hear all this, you know, the yo, yo thing. That's the moment. It's like, well, what do I do when I don't have somebody making every single meal plan for me and telling me exactly what workout to do? You know? So that's, that's the challenge. [00:11:11] Speaker A: What are the habits that you recommend? Like, if someone comes to you. Okay, sorry, I'm going to do that again because you looked concerned. Okay, cool. What are the habits that you recommend for people? Let's say someone comes to you and they're like, you know what? I've tried everything. I've tried every diet, I've tried all the workout programs, but I'm just not getting results. How do you. So I guess two parts of this question. How do you help them unpack that paradigm? And then what are the foundational habits that you try to have your clients instill on a daily basis? [00:11:47] Speaker B: That's a good question. And there is two parts to that. So the first part is actually I came up with this framework that I call aip, okay. And it stands for Assessment, implement, and Practice. And there are three simple steps. And anyone can do this at any point in their life, at any point in their health journey. You can always come back to it. And at any given point, you might be in one of those phases, you might be in two of them, or you could be in all three. And so the assessment part is asking yourself that question. Where am I in life right now? What do I have going on? What time do I actually have available to spend on exercise, to spend on meal planning, to go to the grocery store, to do all these things that are associated with being healthy, but people tend to not take. They don't account for the time that it might take to prepare for some of that stuff. And so assessing, assessing where you are, that's how you get aligned with your goal, your next achievable goal. And then what habits you implement depends on what your assessment was and the goals that you made. So if you want to lose 30 pounds, but you tell me that you don't have the time to exercise at all, you can't meal prep at all, you don't have anybody helping you. Okay, well, we'll start there. But we have to make a smaller goal for you to reach because that might happen, but it might take more time for you to get there. And so it's giving yourself enough time and opportunity to instill a new habit and to also feel the benefits from that goal being achieved, because that's really keepable going. And so the next part of it is called implement. So after you've assessed, now you're going to implement some type of doable action and you're gonna do that action every day. [00:14:08] Speaker A: Okay. [00:14:09] Speaker B: Which is where the practice comes in. Okay. [00:14:12] Speaker A: So practice action that you have people implement. [00:14:15] Speaker B: Taking a walk every day. [00:14:17] Speaker A: Okay. [00:14:17] Speaker B: Okay. So most people can't find the time to take a walk every day. And I understand that it can be difficult to find the time to do that. So say someone is like, okay, I'm gonna commit to walking every day after they discovered, I think I can take this walk, like at lunchtime before I make my lunch for five minutes. Great. Okay, good. You're gonna take, you're gonna set that goal and you're gonna implement that action tomorrow. Because now I've seen you, it's four o', clock, so we can't do lunchtime today, we can do it tomorrow. You're gonna start tomorrow, and then you're gonna practice for the next two, two weeks doing that every single day. And when I say practice, it means that I'm giving you opportunity for maybe a day or two that that doesn't happen. And so for you not to feel guilty about it. So something comes up, a meeting goes longer, you have to go pick up a sick kid from school. Whatever it is, you're like, okay, I didn't do it yesterday, but I'm still practicing this, so I'm gonna practice again tomorrow. So it becomes a bit of a mindset shift where instead of the, you know, setting the goal, trying to reach the goal, reached it for a day, the next week, I couldn't reach it. Now you're starting to implement and practice this new habit. Once you're able to achieve that habit consistently for a period of, say, three weeks, it should start to feel more automatic. [00:15:54] Speaker A: Exactly right. [00:15:55] Speaker B: So when you establish a habit, the whole purpose of a habit is to make it automatic so that when things do come up, you're like, okay, you do whatever it takes to make sure you get that habit in somehow. [00:16:09] Speaker A: Right, right. I love that. [00:16:10] Speaker B: And so you're giving yourself flexibility and you're giving yourself forgiveness and you're allowing life to happen. [00:16:16] Speaker A: Right, right. [00:16:18] Speaker B: And so you're letting go of some of the rigidity of some of these rules that typically get people stuck. [00:16:24] Speaker A: You know, I love this framework because I think the rigidity part is what keeps people, you know, you're like, oh, no, I failed. So I've seen this paradigm happen a lot where someone will like, mess up on a diet or exercise program for a day and they're like, just like, I failed. I give up. I'm gonna like, you know, I already. Especially with diets, I've already failed, so I might as well just go full tilt and you know, like. And then they're also stuck. Stuck in a conversation internally was like, I can never get anything right. You know, there's like a ton of like negative self talk and limiting beliefs. [00:16:59] Speaker B: Absolutely. [00:16:59] Speaker A: Which end up being self defeating. And I love the fact that you're like, you know, grace and getting rid of the rigidity because I feel like that's what keeps people stuck is that, you know, and that mental loop of like, well, you already messed up, so, like, forget about it. It's like, well, you know, give yourself. You're human and things happen and you know, great, let's just try again and let's just get that right back on and the bike and like, keep riding. Not completely. We're never riding this bike again. [00:17:31] Speaker B: I use this analogy where, you know, falling off the wagon is a very popular analogy. Exactly. I now say instead of falling off the wagon, you're just pulling the wagon off the side of the road. Take a little break and then you're gonna pull back on. You're gonna merge back onto the road. [00:17:48] Speaker A: I love that. [00:17:48] Speaker B: And you're gonna keep going. All going to be okay. [00:17:51] Speaker A: That's such a softer way to. And sometimes you need to pull the wagon off to the side of the road. Like, you know, you just do. Are the tires working? You know, like, is. The wagon's a little heavy. We need a minute. [00:18:01] Speaker B: You know, horse need a break. [00:18:02] Speaker A: Does a horse need a break? Exactly. That's okay. We need to like you. That's what you do. Oh, my God. This gives me like a flashback to I'm going to date myself. The game Oregon Trail. You know this game? [00:18:14] Speaker B: No, I don't. [00:18:15] Speaker A: Oh my gosh. This is like game back in the back in the 90s where they had, like, a Conestoga wagon and you like the whole point of the game. I can't believe I'm, like, bringing this example up. You would try to make it on the Oregon Trail out west. [00:18:29] Speaker B: Okay. [00:18:30] Speaker A: And sometimes, yes, the wagon needed a break. Like, you need to, like, you know, check your aunts, check the food, do the thing, you know, Anyway, total rabble. [00:18:40] Speaker B: So everyone just check your wagon. [00:18:42] Speaker A: Check your wagon. [00:18:43] Speaker B: It's okay. [00:18:44] Speaker A: Exactly. [00:18:46] Speaker B: I love it. [00:18:47] Speaker A: I play that game. Yes. Oh, my gosh. It's like one of those old, like, you know, like I. Oh, my God. I don't know, like floppy dis games. Like. [00:18:55] Speaker B: Oh, gosh. [00:18:56] Speaker A: Yeah. Anyhow, I want to actually take a minute because I want to learn about you. Like, what's your. I always think of everyone's superhero origin story. I don't know. How are. How did you get to where you are today? Like, walk me through maybe some of those early experiences and maybe one. If you can think of one experience that really shaped you getting into the work that you're doing today. [00:19:24] Speaker B: Okay, my life story. [00:19:28] Speaker A: Yes, give us a life story. We want all the details. You're on a couch, you know, like the, like, tell us. [00:19:35] Speaker B: Started May 7th. [00:19:37] Speaker A: That's your birthday. Okay. Wait, are you. No. Taurus. [00:19:41] Speaker B: You're a Taurus. [00:19:42] Speaker A: Okay. I'm an Aries, so. Yeah. [00:19:45] Speaker B: And we're talking about birthdays too, because it's my daughter's birthday. [00:19:47] Speaker A: Yes. Happy birthday to your daughter. Yay. Happy birthday. She's two, so it's such a cute age. [00:19:53] Speaker B: It really is. And okay, so I grew up doing lots of activities. [00:20:00] Speaker A: Okay. Okay. [00:20:01] Speaker B: I'm an only child. [00:20:02] Speaker A: Oh, you are. Okay. [00:20:03] Speaker B: In a single parent household. And I ended up sticking with figure skating and ballet. So I was a competitive figure skater for 13 years of my life, starting at the age of six. Yeah, six or seven. [00:20:19] Speaker A: Wow. [00:20:20] Speaker B: Where it was like, serious time on the ice every day in the morning at like 6am wow. Crazy. [00:20:28] Speaker A: What was that like as a kid? [00:20:29] Speaker B: You know? [00:20:29] Speaker A: Cause I played sports, but it was not that serious. You know, we. I did a basketball. And I think about, like, what that instilled in me in terms of discipline and my outlook of life. I'm curious your take on what that experience was like at that age. Young. [00:20:45] Speaker B: I mean, I just loved it. I loved the sport. And so you can drag me off the ice. And then in conjunction, I did ballet, which I actually didn't really like for a long period of time until I was a little bit older, until I was like 11. Or 12. And I was doing more tricks and, like, you know, more of the fun stuff. And. But I. It was always my coaches, my skating coaches were always like, mild Valley helps you, like really. What's the word? Graceful on the ice and flexibility and all that. So. So primarily I was, like, serious about figure skating. I was, you know, Olympic bound, if. If you will. And wow, why trained in the same rink as some of the ice skating crates like Brian Boitano. [00:21:35] Speaker A: Oh, I love [00:21:38] Speaker B: Christian Gucci here and there. Anyway, so I remember. And then, you know, I decided that figure skating competition was a lot of pressure. I mean, it was just too much. And so it got to a point where I realized that the competition aspect was just too much for me. I was the one who was really good at practice, and I could practice for hours. But the competition part of it was. I mean, it's a lot of pressure on a young girl. [00:22:12] Speaker A: Yes. [00:22:13] Speaker B: Young person. [00:22:14] Speaker A: Yeah, for sure. [00:22:15] Speaker B: And so, anyway, so then I had the dance, and I continued with my dance and fell in love with ballet and was in a company while I was going to university. And after I graduated university, I fell. I really wanted to leave California and spread my wings, and New York City seemed very exciting. So I packed my bags and moved to New York City to pursue dance. [00:22:42] Speaker A: Amazing. [00:22:43] Speaker B: And fell in love with musical folks, theater dance specifically. And it was just. It opened up a whole new world to me in terms of dance, and it was just really exciting. And so. So I did that for many years. [00:22:59] Speaker A: Well, you know, I'm curious because I think about fitness and dance and, you know, like, the regimen that you must have had to undertake for figure skating? What were those early conversations about your body and fitness and shape and like, you know, were there any conversations that you reflect on? You're like, you know, this is an eyebrow raise, or do you feel like it was all positive and you had positive reinforcement and the conversations were about, you know, athleticism. Walk me through that a bit. [00:23:34] Speaker B: So the short of that is, no, it wasn't very positive. There was a lot of pressure on you to be a physical specimen of perfection. And for figure skating, I apparently had a great body type. I was muscular, I could jump really high. I was flexible. I had all the qualities physically for a figure skater. But when I went to ballet class, I was deemed too muscular. My thighs were too big. I wouldn't get parts because I felt like I interpreted that as not being skinny enough. And I mean, from the age of like, 15 until I was in my early 20s and until I Discovered musical theater, actually. I mean, I had artistic directors tell me to lose more weight, and they were getting in the company, and I was like, I really don't eat. I don't know what you want me to do. Like, I don't think I can get smoke smaller. And, I mean, I have stories about what girls do in order to fit into a tutu. And I had parts taken away from me because the costume didn't fit. I mean, it was terrible. It was really terrible. I had artistic directors tell me to stop eating bananas. I had them tell me that. What was another one anyway? Stuff like that that just were completely unfounded in any sort of, like, thing that I could do about it, you know, and talk about confusion. I mean, I did have a mild eating disorder for several years there, and I went therapy for it. And, you know, it's. I feel proud that I've been able to overcome it. But, yeah, I mean, talk about body disorder, dysmorphia, and all of those things. It's terrible. [00:25:30] Speaker A: It's crazy to me. It's, you know, to me. And I love your take on this too. Like, why do we continue to commoditize women's bodies and shame our young girls? I went through the same thing. I did modeling early on. I'm a very muscular person. I've always been. That's just naturally the way my body is. And I've had. I remember I had a Runway coach, and he's like, those thighs, you need to, like, get rid of your thighs. I'm like, and I also was an athlete. I played sports. So of course I had muscular thighs. And I think about it, I'm like, this is a full wrap. Like, why are we doing this? And I coached a program called Girls on the Run. I'll never forget this. These girls were 8 to 11. And the whole point of the program is to teach about using your body for movement and for fun and for joy and eating healthy because you want to fuel your body, not because you want to, you know, not from a place of shame or trying to be, like, thin or whatever it may be. And I remember already at that age, the girls were talking about, oh, you should eat more celery because it's a negative calorie food. [00:26:35] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, these were 8 to 11 year old. [00:26:38] Speaker A: Are you kidding me? Isn't that so sad? And, you know, I'm curious. Why do you think we continue to commoditize women's bodies? And then, you know, the damage that it does, you know, long term, you know, how can we. How do you start to unpack that damage? [00:26:55] Speaker B: Yeah, that it does. I don't know. I mean, looking back, I think a lot of those comments did come from men. [00:27:01] Speaker A: I will say, yeah, True facts. [00:27:03] Speaker B: And, you know, in the modeling industry and dance and in all these sports, you have a lot of male coaches. And, like, I mean, now I'd be like, what. What the hell do you know about a woman's body? Let's educate you. [00:27:21] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly. [00:27:22] Speaker B: It's kind of the way I feel about it now, you know? So I think always consider the source of where that information is coming from. And then a lot of the other comments. You know, I will say that when I learned more about nutrition and I did a deep dive into that, the science behind it really enlightened me and made made eating so much easier for me. Like, it stopped being such a war in my head. [00:27:50] Speaker A: Wow. [00:27:50] Speaker B: It was like, oh, I know what this does in my body. Oh, no, I can eat a banana. Thank you very much. I'm going to eat a banana. A common thing I get now is like, I know mushrooms can eat fruit. I know it has sugar. And I'm like, girl, you can eat fruit, right? [00:28:05] Speaker A: Can we? [00:28:05] Speaker B: Because if you're choosing between fruit and the cake, can you just. Creepy fruit. [00:28:09] Speaker A: Can we just. [00:28:09] Speaker B: I think so. I also had. I was working in New York, and I. At a boutique fitness studio, and there was a nutritionist popping in and out. And at one point, I was teaching, like, four hours of class a day, like, very intensely. And I'll never forget, I was eating grapes before I had to go in and teach. This is now, like, my third hour. I'm about to go teach, and I'm starving, but I don't have enough time in between classes to eat a real meal. So I had my grapes and I had my almonds, and I'm like, okay, you know, which was fine. But she. She totally. This woman shamed me into why I was eating grapes. And I'll just never forget it. I'm like, at that point, I completely debunked, like, everything she was talking about. I was like, no, why are you making a comment like that? Plus, I was in front of other clients, and I was like, yeah, that was just totally uncalled for. And also not correct. No, it wasn't correct. [00:29:12] Speaker A: Exactly. [00:29:13] Speaker B: And I think that's what drives me crazy now is just, you know, hearing all of this information. That's just not true. And it makes people crazy. [00:29:26] Speaker A: It does. The fruit thing is a huge one. Like, every. I've heard no, eat bananas. You can't eat fruit if you want, you know, and then you, you know, you're like, okay, so you'd rather people eat processed junk than eat fruit? Like you'd rather them eat a quote unquote protein bar or whatever it may be. Like, where is this even coming from? You know, and then like things are working out. I'm actually curious what, what do you feel like the fitness industry gets wrong about women's bodies? [00:29:52] Speaker B: I feel like there's so much fake information. [00:29:55] Speaker A: There's so much even just like think about like sometimes I've been in classes, the language that's used, you know, oh, you've got to like, gosh, what was. I was in a class and someone was like, oh, you've got to, you know, drop you if you were going to drop the baby weight and then if you want to drop the like pre holiday weight, you know, like that was like the coaching in the class. And I'm like, I'm just kind of like, I don't know, some of it seems very negative. What do you think that, you know, the fitness industry is getting wrong, continuing to perpetuate about women's bodies. [00:30:27] Speaker B: About women's bodies. Biology. Yeah, it's our biology. [00:30:31] Speaker A: Right. [00:30:32] Speaker B: So hormones and the fact that that's not taken into consideration. [00:30:41] Speaker A: Right. [00:30:41] Speaker B: Our hormones actually change pretty much on a daily basis. Yes. And yeah, that's what they have wrong. And I think it. More information is, you know, coming to light now. And for instance, there's a lot of chatter now about menopause and perimenopause, which is so awesome that that's getting out there. But there's still a huge population of, you know, when you go through puberty to when you are in menopause, like, what about that chunk of your life? It's pretty large. You know, you do have to address the monthly to daily hormone fluctuations in your body. And there's a specific way you can nourish yourself and move yourself that can work with your biology. And I find it so fascinating and so helpful. [00:31:31] Speaker A: Right? Yeah. What are some of the things that you. Because I feel like I know for me, if I'm on my cycle, like I completely need different nutrition after I get very anemic. So I'm like, okay, I need to like eat things that, you know, have iron. What are some of the tips that you've picked up for women in terms of nutrition or even movement? I know that sometimes I can't do hard workouts. Like I need to just go for A walk. What are some of the things that you feel like can help women and working with their hormones versus against their hormones. [00:32:04] Speaker B: Yeah. So, I mean, you clearly just, even by what you just shared now you have more of an awareness than I think a lot of women do. Especially if we're talking about high achieving women. I think the perpetuating message there is just push through anything and everything via the sacrifice of yourself. And. Doesn't matter. You are gonna sacrifice yourself at all costs because you are achieving some type of greatness. You're reaching and striving for something. And even people who aren't maybe reaching or striving, there's still the pervasive message of push through anything. I mean, that's what was instilled in me too, growing up. [00:32:49] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:32:49] Speaker B: I mean, as an athlete and dancer, I mean, there's always someone ready to take your spot. 100. So, you know, I use the analogy the Carrie Strugg moment in the Olympics. [00:33:01] Speaker A: Oh, my. Right. [00:33:03] Speaker B: Everyone's expected to have their Carrie struggle 100%. And it is. I mean, she was in the Olympics, so it's kind of a different ball game, you know, but still, I think when you, like, if you really envision, like what you're actually asked to do. [00:33:21] Speaker A: Yeah, it's crazy. [00:33:23] Speaker B: Very similar. [00:33:24] Speaker A: It's 100%, you know, and then you get, you know, I look at Simone Biles recently who, you know, she's like, listen, I forget the name of the thing where, you know, gymnasts, they end up. It's like a mental health struggle, but it actually impacts their sense of balance. [00:33:43] Speaker B: Yes. [00:33:43] Speaker A: And it's incredibly dangerous for them. And the amount of shame that she got from, you know, people being like, hey, for her being like, you know, this is not safe for me. You'd be really, well, you know, blah, blah, blah, like, shaming her, shaming her, shaming her versus a conversation of like, [00:33:58] Speaker B: wow, look at some. [00:33:59] Speaker A: Someone who's actually in tune with their body and trusting what they need in the moment. And, you know, she's on a world stage, which is incredible. But, yeah, I feel like we have such a negative conversation when people set up boundaries about what they're able to do. [00:34:11] Speaker B: Yeah. And I think I love that example. And, you know, she's someone who is clearly another stratosphere of what she can do with her body. But also she talks about the level of danger that's associated with it, you know, more as spectators. We're like, oh, my God, that's so amazing that you can flip like that. And. But you know when she does explain the actual dangers associated with it. Now you can. You can understand why. But I also equate that to something I experienced when. When people can't see the injury or what's going on. [00:34:51] Speaker A: Right. [00:34:52] Speaker B: People have a hard time interpreting it or accepting it. 100 and I'll use my own experience for that. So my. I had a hip injury that was pretty career altering and earth shattering. And I worked on a torn hip for at least two years before I actually ended up having surgery. [00:35:13] Speaker A: And my. [00:35:14] Speaker B: My philosophy was based on the way I was trained. [00:35:18] Speaker A: Right. [00:35:18] Speaker B: Was like, you can push through it. It's fine. It's not going to get worse. You know, you can do it. And I would. But it did get worse. And it was one of those things where, like, I think people didn't really understand it because they couldn't see the pain that I was feeling. [00:35:33] Speaker A: And I hit. [00:35:33] Speaker B: I, I disguised it quite well until I couldn't anymore. Until I realized that like, no, this has to change. And I, I can't go on. And in fact, I am damaging myself. And it was a really tough thing to come to terms with. And yeah, it was quite earth shattering. I had to. I questioned the value I had in this world and like, what can I give people if they can't see me? Like, train them or work out with them? Like, what good am I? Like, it was really terrible to go through that. And I think I still. No, I'm much better now. But like there. There are moments sometimes that, like, I have. Where I'm like, I have to remind myself of, like, the value that's not just this physical thing that I can do. [00:36:20] Speaker A: Right. [00:36:22] Speaker B: And then I compare that to going through my pregnancies where it's a visual. [00:36:27] Speaker A: Right. [00:36:27] Speaker B: And it's a universal visual. People know what's going on with you. They understand. They're so much more accommodating. [00:36:35] Speaker A: Right. Right. [00:36:36] Speaker B: You know, it's like, oh, I. You sit down, Take it easy. I'm like, I don't need to take it easy. I'm in shape. I can swim it. I can walk up the stairs. Don't you worry. I can dance until I'm like popping up babies. You know. But it was much different. It was such a enlightening experience to go through, like both of those things and how different they were. And so I think that's part of it. And like, when we talk about mental health again, that's an unseen thing that someone is experiencing. And unless they're sharing that with you, you vocally it's really hard. You can't get into somebody else's head, you know. So I think there is that disconnect, right? [00:37:12] Speaker A: There totally is. I'm curious, when you went through your hip injury, what stage of your career were you at? And then what were some of the mental scripts? What were some of the tools and some of the resources that you had to, you know, march forward and try to overcome some of that. [00:37:31] Speaker B: Wait, what was the first part of that question? [00:37:33] Speaker A: What stage in your career? When did this happen? If you don't mind sharing or actually what happened to. [00:37:37] Speaker B: Yeah, sure, I, I would say I was in the height of my fitness training career where I was a leader in the company, I was working at, that I was a co founding trainer of, I led the, the team. I was a manager basically of all the trainers. I created a curriculum for them in addition to working with clients and creating content and being at the forefront of that company and also just with fitness in general. And so it was earth shattering because, you know, there was a lot of fear around, like taking time off and what will happen if I do that. And so it was, it was very difficult. And again, it just made me question my value. [00:38:27] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:38:27] Speaker B: And yeah, it was, it was really hard. And as far as resources available, I didn't have any other than my husband at the time. He was my fiance. You know, he was the one who was like, Arielle, you can't even walk up the subway stairs. Like, wow, got to like go to a doctor. [00:38:49] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:38:50] Speaker B: You know, and I was like, okay, I'm going to go a doctor. [00:38:53] Speaker A: Good man. Good on him. [00:38:55] Speaker B: Thank you know, and then I finally got to the realization too where I was like, you know, no one can take care of this except myself. Like, no one's going to do this for me. [00:39:02] Speaker A: Facts. [00:39:03] Speaker B: And I have to do it. No matter what happens, I have to take care of myself because no one else is going to do it. Yourself first, putting yourself. [00:39:10] Speaker A: And I feel like for high performance, high achieving women, it's very difficult. I know so many high performance women that will burn themselves out. [00:39:19] Speaker B: Oh yeah. [00:39:20] Speaker A: Before they actually put themselves first. How can you, you know, I'm curious, like the duality of wanting to push for your goals but then actually prioritizing your self care. Why do you, why do you think high performance women are burning out? What's the psychology there? And then how do you, when you work with high performance, because I know you do. How do you coach them and coach that mindset specifically and get them to say, you know, what You're a priority. You need to take care of yourself. [00:39:49] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:39:49] Speaker A: The business may need, whatever the family, whatever it may be, but if you don't fill your own cup, you won't be here for anyone else. [00:39:55] Speaker B: Right. [00:39:56] Speaker A: How do you work with them and really shift that, that mindset or help them instill practices? [00:40:01] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, I, I can relate, I think is step number one. But yeah, I think it's, it's getting to their why. I think it's oftentimes we forget the why, like, why are we doing this? Why are you doing this? And ask yourself, I think there's, I mean, I'm not a psychologist, I can't speak necessarily to the psychology scientifically, but mindset wise, you know, why do you feel like you can't get enough sleep in order to run your company? What is that? How is that benefiting you? How is that benefiting your business? [00:40:39] Speaker A: Right. [00:40:39] Speaker B: You know, or, you know, if you are in charge of your company, if you are in a leadership position, you actually do have more flexibility and agency over your time than other people below you, perhaps. So how can you start to make those small shifts? Like, what's one small thing that you can do? Is it sleep? Sometimes we focus on getting more sleep. [00:41:03] Speaker A: Yes, that's so true. Sleep. You know, I feel like sleep a lot, at least for me, it, Sleep solves a lot, a lot of things. [00:41:12] Speaker B: I think actually every mom has postpartum depression because to some degree, for a period of time until they're starting to get more sleep. I actually truthfully believe that I want to try. [00:41:23] Speaker A: I want to actually. [00:41:24] Speaker B: But anyway, so I think that's, that's where we start, you know, and little by little, they're able to start working things into their, like, daily life where they're like, okay, yeah, okay, I slept six hours and my company didn't collapse. So I think I can, I can do that now. [00:41:40] Speaker A: I can do it. [00:41:41] Speaker B: Okay, good. [00:41:41] Speaker A: It's gonna be okay. Yeah. [00:41:43] Speaker B: Okay, so how are we gonna fit in? You know, then we tackle kind of the exercise things and the nutrition things sometimes. So let's just take those three levers, if you will. So you got sleep, you got, got food and you've got movement. You know, at any given point you can pull on one of those levers. Sometimes you need to pay more attention on one lever than you do the other, and that's okay. But you can't necessarily ignore all of them. [00:42:07] Speaker A: No. [00:42:07] Speaker B: So you have to do one of those things to some degree. [00:42:11] Speaker A: Right. [00:42:12] Speaker B: Of like, baseline, what I call Baseline good health. [00:42:15] Speaker A: Right, right. [00:42:16] Speaker B: And then depending on what you have going on, you're like, okay, well, I need to focus more on. On my exercise right now. How my company's been in the spot, everyone's in a good spot. This is like downtime, whatever that is. Right, right, right. So I can actually maybe add in an extra day versus, okay, I'm traveling. How am I going to eat well? How am I gonna. How am I gonna keep up my. My healthy habits? Well, I've got this crazy travel schedule. Like, how am I gonna fit that in? So now we focus on that one. And sleep. We just want to sleep. So think of it as you can pull on any one of those levers [00:42:55] Speaker A: at any given time, but not all three. [00:42:58] Speaker B: And the other thing, part of that is that, you know, all of these diets and all of these exercise plans, they all have. They're all kind of. They're talking about a few basic elements. They all. There's overlap on all of them. And if you distill all that information, you get some very basic habits and rituals that you can do on a daily basis that don't take a lot of money, that don't take a lot of time that you're in control of. And once you're able to achieve those things, now you can layer on the harder goal, like, okay, maybe I want to do a 5K or a marathon. Okay, great. You're working out consistently. You're eating well. Great. We can now work up to that. Or the person that needs to lose the 30 pounds. Okay, well, we've instilled some basic habits. You're no longer relying on 10 sodas a day and five cups of coffee a day to get you through the day. You're actually nourishing your body. Great. You've probably already lost some weight, but now what lever can we pull on more to help help you reach that goal that you want? I'm curious. [00:44:12] Speaker A: Speaking of goals, how do you know if someone's goals, their fitness goals specifically, are coming from driving, longevity and performance versus emotional in a negative way? In a way that's maybe toxic? [00:44:28] Speaker B: I mean, they're usually emotional and toxic right off the beginning, right off the bat, until we distill it down, because, again, it's going back to alignment. [00:44:37] Speaker A: Yes. [00:44:37] Speaker B: And so most people, when they come to me, have this goal that I never say is unachievable, but it's misaligned [00:44:45] Speaker A: with where you're at and how do you talk them? You know, Chris, what's the conversation like? I come to you, I'm like, listen, I want to learn. I. I wanna always hear this. I want to get my best body back, or I want my revenge body or whatever it might be, which, hey, I've not noticed people do whatever you want to do. Yeah, I confute. Arielle is revenge body. You know, I'm trying to like, you know, whatever, do the thing. And I'm like, really? My energy around it is, how do I put it? Like, sad but frustrated and all of, you know, all of the different emotions that come around with, you know, maybe I just broke up with someone and I'm trying to do the revenge body thing. I come to you and unpack this. Okay. What do you say to me? Like, how do you work with me in order to get me to a place where, you know, maybe I'm not sleeping, I'm not eating right, I'm drinking a bunch of alcohol, I'm doing all these things. Like, how would you work with me to help me maybe reframe that goal in a more positive light? [00:45:44] Speaker B: What does that look like to you? Describe it to me. What is that revenge body look like on you? Tell me. And vanity. It's okay. Vanity's all right. We all want to look good. But my version of looking good maybe different than your version of looking good. [00:45:57] Speaker A: True. [00:45:58] Speaker B: So tell me. [00:45:58] Speaker A: Okay. My revenge body. I am, you know, six pack abs, booty shaken, in a small bikini, mykonos style, and I'm taking photos to, like top my eggs. [00:46:16] Speaker B: Okay. [00:46:17] Speaker A: Okay. [00:46:18] Speaker B: All right, I got you. That sounds great. Okay, well, if you. So now you, you look like that you've achieved that. What does it feel like to you? [00:46:38] Speaker A: Oh. Ooh. You know, it feels. I feel sexy. That's the first word that came to mind. I feel strong. That also came to mind. I feel like I'm worth it. And, you know, I'm gonna place because I feel like I actually, I'm gonna share. So I think I went through this revenge body, you know, next ago. Now I'm on the couch in therapy. Oh, my gosh. You know, and it was like, I'm gonna show him why, like, why he made a mistake. And I think that that's the psychology behind that conversation. Okay. Like, I'll be worth it. I'm gonna show him that I'm good enough and I'm, you know, woo, woo, woo. Like that entire talk track there, I think that's where it would be coming from. And I would, yeah, I would feel like I'm worth it, I'm good enough. And like, it was. His loss would be like the conversation. [00:47:41] Speaker B: Okay, so I'm gonna just wrap that up. What I heard was you wanna look sexy. [00:47:48] Speaker A: Yes. [00:47:48] Speaker B: You want to feel super strong. [00:47:50] Speaker A: Yes. [00:47:51] Speaker B: And you want to be really confident. [00:47:54] Speaker A: Yes. Yes, yes. [00:47:56] Speaker B: Those are the three things that you're after. [00:47:58] Speaker A: Yes. [00:47:59] Speaker B: Would you say that. [00:47:59] Speaker A: That's right. Totally. Exactly. [00:48:01] Speaker B: Exactly. And what if I told you that if you are going for those three things, you. Depending on how long we work together and how long, how long you stick with whatever program it is that you go on. Oh my God, I lost my train of thought. Depending on what you do, you might be able to achieve the six pack abs, but I mean, that might come later. That might be kind of the icing on the shot on the cake. Because what happens is when you go after looking sexy, strong and confident, the byproduct of the actions that you have to do to get those things, you're probably gonna look freaking phenomenal and you're gonna have the muscle definition and you're gonna feel amazing and that X is gonna be like, yeah, man, really missed. Okay. [00:48:58] Speaker A: Coming in hot as his stories. [00:49:00] Speaker B: You're gonna achieve that. [00:49:04] Speaker A: So. Yeah. So good. Yeah. [00:49:06] Speaker B: That's how I. [00:49:06] Speaker A: Where were you when I went through this breakup? I don't know. You know, I needed you to like come through the window. [00:49:12] Speaker B: I don't know, but it sounds like this relationship is good for you. So you can call me when you're about to have babies and all that stuff. [00:49:17] Speaker A: Thank you. Yes. [00:49:17] Speaker B: My karmic. Through all that. [00:49:18] Speaker A: Love you. My karmic boyfriend. Yes. I don't need to do any of that. I want to transition to motherhood because I'm not a mother. I don't have any kids. But you know, in planning for that and thinking about that as a potential in my life, I'm curious, how has motherhood changed your outlook on your body, on fitness, on your health? Yeah. Walk me through that journey and the thoughts that you have right now. [00:49:48] Speaker B: Man, that's a loaded question. But right off the bat, the one word that comes to mind is appreciation. I have a huge appreciation for my body that I never had before and let's just say pre injury because I think, you know, going through that and then shortly thereafter going, getting pregnant and going through that and doing it again. I'll just give you an example. So like I used to have a leg complex. I hated my legs and they weren't long enough. I'm jealous of your long legs. If they were 2 inches longer, I [00:50:22] Speaker A: could have been a Rockette. [00:50:23] Speaker B: So I could never be a Rockette. [00:50:26] Speaker A: I'm so sorry to interrupt you, but isn't that so funny? Because I actually had a leg complex, too, because my legs were too strong. Isn't it so funny? We always want what we can't have. And also, I can never find pants that were long enough. So if I were only shorter, I could find pants that were the appropriate length. Is it that, like. See, and I usually don't feel sorry. I know, right? Any way, shape or form, You're like, no, no, get out of here. [00:50:58] Speaker B: Extra length, sister. Thank you. So anyway, I used to hate my legs. And the minute I could walk without feeling pain, I just started saying, oh, my God, isn't this amazing? [00:51:12] Speaker A: Right, Right. [00:51:13] Speaker B: I just started internally being like, thank you. Thank you, licks. Thank you. Yes, thank you, glutes. You know, just started thinking these parts that I didn't like. And, you know, I still wish my legs were longer, but, you know, I can't do anything about it. [00:51:29] Speaker A: Fantastic. Exactly. [00:51:35] Speaker B: Casual. [00:51:36] Speaker A: I love it. No, this. We are chilling. This is what we're doing here. [00:51:41] Speaker B: Yeah. I usually watch TV lying down with the light up here. Oh, do you? [00:51:45] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, I gotta stretch. Oh, my goodness. You know, I do weird positions, too, but I will hang my legs. [00:51:51] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [00:51:51] Speaker A: Like, I'll, like, lay like this and then hang my legs off because my legs are so long that, like, I need to, like. I know, I know. Sorry. [00:51:57] Speaker B: That. [00:51:58] Speaker A: That sounds like I was flexing. That's too bad. [00:52:00] Speaker B: Sorry. [00:52:06] Speaker A: Long legs. I. I was the person that was always falling. Luke grew so fast. It was an awkward Bambi deer that would just, like, tip over. I still have the scars on my knees. Oh, my God. Like falling as a kid. Anyway, I digress. Okay. Me, a little violent. Like a little violet. Yeah. Awkward. Me, now you're, like, three. [00:52:29] Speaker B: But, yeah, so there was that. And then, you know, with the pregnancy stuff, I was more concerned of, like. I'm not sure how I'm gonna go through it. I've seen all these people go through it, and I know, like, it happens. Like, they get big, and then they come back and I help them get them back. And it's amazing. But I think, yeah, actually going through it myself was. It was actually really special. I want to use that word as special because I was never one of those girls either who, like, dreamt of the perfect wedding and was like, I'm neither. This many kids. No, it was kind of like a conversation that my husband and I would have, you know, through each stage of our relationship. And like, we really, like, talked it out and like, okay. And just to share something about me, I mean, my husband last, but I was the person on the plane that, like, did not like babies on the plane. I was like, don't sit me next to them. I was like, there should be another plane. [00:53:25] Speaker A: I feel like I should. I'm like, this. [00:53:28] Speaker B: There should be another plane for babies. Because this is just ridiculous. [00:53:32] Speaker A: Yes, yes, yes. [00:53:33] Speaker B: And I remember at the time, Joe was my boyfriend. He's like, arielle, if you ever have kids, you're going to have to have way more patience than that. And I'm like, but I don't now. And it's ruining my. It's like, right. [00:53:44] Speaker A: Oh, my gosh. You know, I think it gives me pause because I realize I've lived so much of my life, you know, like, hopping on the plane, just doing my thing, wearing my bag, and I see the family, and I'm just like, whoa, this is a. This feels like a lot. Yeah, it feels like a lot. And being honest here, you can come after me in the comments if you'd like, you know, but, you know, and I think it's the. The life, like, the construction of your life, you know, the things that you have to worry about. Completely different. [00:54:16] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:54:16] Speaker A: Your body, you know, Completely different. Postpartum. I worry about that. I love your raw, unfiltered experience, you know, like how. [00:54:30] Speaker B: Yeah. So I talked, I spoke about, you know, how I was before having a baby. And now, like, if I go on a plane and see a mom with infant or whatever, now it's just like, what can I do to help you? Or like, I've definitely come to her rescue. [00:54:41] Speaker A: Right, right. [00:54:42] Speaker B: If it was appropriate or whatever. So I'm definitely converted. And what I realized about that issue was that I was really terrified of infants. I babies out when I was younger, but they were more like 2 year olds. And I, you know, I didn't ever take care of an infant. It just terrified me. I thought they'd break. And, like, I'm like, I just didn't know what to do. I didn't grow up with siblings. Like, I feel like. I feel like my husband was way more familiar with baby stuff than me. So, I mean, all of that, it was just terrifying because I'm like, I like the kid part. I think they're. They're fun. But, like, how am I gonna do the whole pregnancy thing, getting it out anyway? Like, you do it. [00:55:25] Speaker A: Yeah, it happens. [00:55:26] Speaker B: It happens. And it is. It's very special. And the first time of course, was very. Just terrifying in general. Like, I was never afraid of, like, getting a body back. I never thought about that. That, to me was not an issue. Just because I helped so many people do that. [00:55:45] Speaker A: Right. [00:55:46] Speaker B: In general. But also, we can talk about that term in a minute also. But yeah, and then the second time I was just. It was obviously, it was so much easier. They say that the second one, which is. It was and is in a way. [00:56:02] Speaker A: So. [00:56:02] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, it just. I think overall appreciation of the body and what it does and so much we don't know about the body. But like I mentioned, we are made up of these perfectly designed systems. And when you corrupt any one of the systems with whatever you put in. [00:56:23] Speaker A: Right, right. [00:56:24] Speaker B: Intentionally or unintentionally, it's going to. Your body will speak to you. [00:56:29] Speaker A: It does. And it will tell you sometimes intolerance [00:56:33] Speaker B: and whether it's pain, discomfort, mental anxiety, like all of those are signs that you're one of the systems is not working together with the other system. So how do you fix those systems? And you know, my specialty is fixing kind of. Or helping people fix their physical system and make sure that that's working as best as possible within their control. [00:57:00] Speaker A: Absolutely. What do you feel about the term get your body back? Before I forget that hot take on that term. [00:57:07] Speaker B: I think it just depends. I don't hate it, but, you know, I've definitely had times where I said that to myself. I think the definition changes as you move through these experiences. So I was never really afraid of getting my body back to what it was. I knew it would change in some way, you know, But I think. I think the question that's important to ask is like, I want my body. Body back for what? Oh, yeah, you know, like, what do you want your body back for? [00:57:44] Speaker A: Right. [00:57:45] Speaker B: And that's one thing. And then the other thing about getting your body back is for me, it meant more like, when can I just have control over my body again? Because, you know, you go through a period where if you're nursing or even if you don't nurse or whatever, your hormones are going crazy. [00:58:03] Speaker A: Right. [00:58:04] Speaker B: And you. You can't control the things that are happening with your body. And so I do think, you know, people in entertainment who are getting their bodies back in a certain period of time, they're under a lot of pressure to do that, I think. But also they've got a lot of ways to do that, resources to do that. I think ultimately it's really unrealistic for most of us. And also the Other part of that is you want your body back. Compared to what? Like, yeah, you know, like, are you trying to compare your new body, this. This experienced body to the unexperienced body? I mean, because that's different. And then even when you do physically get a look back that you were wanting to achieve, there are still things that, like, never go back. And I had. Can I share a story? [00:58:56] Speaker A: Yes, please do. [00:58:57] Speaker B: I had this moment. Gosh, I think it was before I got pregnant with my daughter. But I. We were going to a wedding, and, you know, I pulled out. I was feeling really good, and I pulled out this one dress from my closet, and it wasn't zipping all the way up, but, like, I'm very body confident, you know? And so I was like, I look good. Like, I mean, what is going on? And then I realized I'm like, it's not zipping up, or my, like, rib cage is, which means that my, like, I have this. Bones have, like, expanded and never gone back. So. Thank you. But basically, I was like, okay, I can't wear this dress ever again because my bones aren't going to go back. Okay, great. But it wasn't. So I was. I was kind of a little bummed because I really liked that dress, but at the same time, I was like, like, okay, well, you know, what's important here. I think the important thing is I'm not beating myself up over it. I understand that it's something I can't control. And get a new dress. [01:00:01] Speaker A: Yeah, get a new dress. [01:00:03] Speaker B: Find clothes that fit you now. [01:00:05] Speaker A: O. You know, I hear that, but I will say it's difficult. [01:00:10] Speaker B: It is. [01:00:10] Speaker A: It's difficult. I've had that experience. I've had some clothes that, you know, like, here's gotten wider because my fibroids are stuff that doesn't fit me as well here. And I'm like, it's gonna be okay. But I definitely had those moments where I almost want to cry about, you know, like, you're really sad. You're like, man, what am I? You know, it creates this. As much work as I've done, as much. You know, like, deep down, I would be lying if I said, like, in that moment, I was just like, it's gonna be okay. [01:00:40] Speaker B: There's a sense of mourning. I. [01:00:42] Speaker A: Morning. I think mourning. Exactly. [01:00:44] Speaker B: You know, that's a good way to put it. I warned the loss. [01:00:48] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. [01:00:49] Speaker B: I'm like, damn it. [01:00:50] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:00:51] Speaker B: Sorry. Yeah. [01:00:51] Speaker A: No, no, no, please. [01:00:52] Speaker B: I swear. [01:00:53] Speaker A: I'm swearing. I swear all the time. I swear. Yeah. Me Too. Me too. It's my like. [01:00:58] Speaker B: But yeah, so I think there is this morning period. Like, I guess that's just not going to be the same. [01:01:04] Speaker A: I know. I feel the same way about gray hair. Every time I find a gray hair, [01:01:08] Speaker B: I'm just like, oh, at least there's hair. [01:01:10] Speaker A: Back us. Exactly. [01:01:11] Speaker B: That's fact. That's a plus. [01:01:15] Speaker A: Cover it up. There you go. Oh my goodness. I want, before I forget, I want to ask about dance because as a dancer, you incorporate dance and movement into. How do you incorporate dance and movement into what you do with clients? And what do you think the role of dance should be? Or I don't maybe like the word should. How do you think we can incorporate more dance into our fitness routines, into the way that we express movement through the world? [01:01:44] Speaker B: What a good question. [01:01:47] Speaker A: Just coming in hot with the. [01:01:50] Speaker B: Well, how do I incorporate it? So when I do train with clients and when I do teach classes, my signature workout is a dance infused strength training workout. So you know, really what that does, it just makes it more fun and it's actually really good for the brain. I always explain dance because, you know, people are like, I'm not a dancer. I'm like, you don't have to be. I'm going to teach you. As you go along, follow along, do the best you can. And then as you do it more, like, it gets more into your body, it creates muscle memory and then it becomes a bit more fun. So, you know, I always explain dances like when I'm teaching somebody about how to count, like why we count to eight and do five, six, seven, eight. You know, that's chorus one. It's because music is written in eights. And so we choreographed eights. But where was I going with that? Oh, yes. You know the memory game for kids. Simon, it's called Simon. [01:02:53] Speaker A: Yes, yes, yes. [01:02:56] Speaker B: And then you have to remember the pattern. That's what choreography is. And so it's, it's brain exercise while you're exercising. [01:03:04] Speaker A: Right. [01:03:05] Speaker B: And it's fun for most people. I have had clients that are like, I'm not gonna dance. I'm like, okay, you don't have to. I'm not gonna force it down someone's throat. But yeah, I think it's, it's distracting. It keeps people thinking. It actually gets people aware of how their body is moving in a different way. That really helps create that focus that they have to pay attention. [01:03:27] Speaker A: Exactly. [01:03:28] Speaker B: And I'm not the kind of, you know, when I, when I teach and when I coach people, I, you know, they have to do it. I'm not sitting there chit chatting and having a conversation like I really want. I think it's important that people use that time really effectively and so focus and no distraction is best. But again, it's not a one size fits all. But how can we incorporate dance more? I mean, dance in your kitchen, dance in your car, dance wherever. If you feel music or you just want to move, do it. I mean, I have dance parties in my kitchen with my kids all the time. [01:04:03] Speaker A: Me too. I'm like full on and I'm, I don't really dance that well at all, but I'm like, who cares? I'm even doing one of these sometimes. [01:04:13] Speaker B: Fine. [01:04:14] Speaker A: That's fine. [01:04:15] Speaker B: You know, I think people put too much pressure on themselves when they're dancing. [01:04:19] Speaker A: Like, perfect. Just have fun. [01:04:21] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:04:22] Speaker A: I love it. I love it, I love it. What I want to do is I want to move on to our true or false. We're going to tee up that. All right, so I've got our true or false paddles here. I'm going to go on down. [01:04:35] Speaker B: We're playing a game. [01:04:35] Speaker A: We're playing a game. So she's going to hold up the green cavill if it's true or flip it to the red if it is false. Are you ready to jump into the true or false zone? Dun, dun, dun, dun. [01:04:48] Speaker B: I'm ready. [01:04:48] Speaker A: Okay, here's the first one. Fitness is mostly about willpower. Nope. Okay. You can't out train a bad mindset. [01:05:03] Speaker B: True. [01:05:03] Speaker A: Ooh. I, I, you need to be sore for a workout to count. Yeah, I feel like that's, I feel like I hear that one all the time. Yeah. Burnout recovery starts with slowing down. [01:05:21] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:05:22] Speaker A: Okay. [01:05:23] Speaker B: All right, all right. Same. [01:05:25] Speaker A: You can't heal in the same environment that made you sick. [01:05:32] Speaker B: True. [01:05:34] Speaker A: Oh, this is a spicy one. Women over 40 can't build muscle. [01:05:39] Speaker B: Oh, gosh. [01:05:41] Speaker A: I love the reaction in that one. You're like, that's a full. [01:05:44] Speaker B: Earn [01:05:47] Speaker A: this next one. Motherhood and strength training are surprisingly similar. [01:05:54] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [01:05:55] Speaker A: Okay. All right. The last one. Stretching is more important than cardio. Oh. All right. Yay. That was a great round of true or false. [01:06:07] Speaker B: Yeah. How many points did I get? [01:06:10] Speaker A: I think you won all the prizes. [01:06:11] Speaker B: Did I win. [01:06:12] Speaker A: You win all the prizes. [01:06:13] Speaker B: Did I get high? [01:06:14] Speaker A: You win all the prizes. Exactly. Okay, now we're gonna move on. All right, now we're moving on to our rapid fire. So I have given Arielle our handy dandy buzzer, and she's got 30 seconds to answer each of our rapid fire questions. If we go over 30 seconds, she and I will be forced to drink a shot. A bit of our ginger shot. Are you ready for this? No, it smells. [01:06:44] Speaker B: Smells good. [01:06:45] Speaker A: Yeah, it smells refreshing. Doesn't smell, you know, that bad. Okay, here we go. Ready? [01:06:51] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm ready. [01:06:52] Speaker A: Okay. What is one fitness myth that drives you crazy [01:07:00] Speaker B: that you can't. In order to lose weight, you're not supposed to eat any carbs. [01:07:09] Speaker A: Oh. First one done in nine, 10 seconds. I don't know if Arielle's gonna be drinking a ginger shot at this rate. Okay, I'm gonna reset the clock. Okay, here we go. Here we go. I don't know. Next one. One wellness trend you wish would disappear. [01:07:30] Speaker B: Disappear. [01:07:31] Speaker A: Yes. Yes. Go. Hit it. Hit it. [01:07:35] Speaker B: This trend will shame wish we disappear. [01:07:38] Speaker A: Shoot. [01:07:39] Speaker B: I don't know. I don't know. Why am I blanking on the wellness trend? [01:07:44] Speaker A: You can take your time. You still have time. [01:07:45] Speaker B: You still have a solid cool name. Oh, my God. [01:07:50] Speaker A: Okay. [01:07:51] Speaker B: Right. [01:07:51] Speaker A: I'm going to help. Let's think about it. A wellness trend that we wish would disappear. I mean, so many. I would say dry brushing. Ooh, unpack. Why? [01:08:04] Speaker B: I just don't get it. I don't see the point in it. [01:08:06] Speaker A: Okay, we went a little bit over 30, so here we go. Bottoms up. [01:08:13] Speaker B: Cheers. [01:08:14] Speaker A: Take a little sip. [01:08:14] Speaker B: Cheers. [01:08:22] Speaker A: Oh, my God. [01:08:24] Speaker B: This one is so spicy. [01:08:26] Speaker A: Oh, my God. [01:08:29] Speaker B: I can't do spicy. [01:08:31] Speaker A: This is spicy. [01:08:32] Speaker B: Spicy. [01:08:33] Speaker A: This is spicy. This one is like, yo. All right, all right, all right. Whoa, whoa, whoa. [01:08:39] Speaker B: Okay, that was good. [01:08:40] Speaker A: Here we go. All right. Okay, let's reset the clock. [01:08:44] Speaker B: Okay. [01:08:44] Speaker A: Okay. [01:08:45] Speaker B: Where are we going next? [01:08:47] Speaker A: Your. Your go to stress busting movement. [01:08:51] Speaker B: Stress busting movement. Dancing. Okay. [01:08:55] Speaker A: I mean, that was like. That was like a record time answer. Okay, all right. Throwing you easy ones. All right, all right. Let's see. The most overrated form of self care. [01:09:09] Speaker B: Overrated. Not underrated. [01:09:11] Speaker A: Overrated. [01:09:11] Speaker B: Overrated. [01:09:12] Speaker A: I'm going to press a button. [01:09:13] Speaker B: Okay. She's tired. [01:09:17] Speaker A: Try to thank me. Drink the ginger shot. [01:09:19] Speaker B: Overrated. Self care. Overrated. Old plunging. [01:09:23] Speaker A: Ooh. Okay. Own 12 seconds. Darn. [01:09:28] Speaker B: See my point? Am I supposed to elaborate if you. [01:09:31] Speaker A: Yes, you can elaborate. Yes. But then you have to give. Then you have to put more time at the clock, though. [01:09:35] Speaker B: But I have 60 seconds. [01:09:37] Speaker A: 30 seconds. [01:09:38] Speaker B: 30 seconds. [01:09:39] Speaker A: Yes. Can you loud? [01:09:40] Speaker B: Are you to take. [01:09:41] Speaker A: I think you can do it. [01:09:42] Speaker B: Set the clock. I just. I think it is beneficial, but I think the discomfort is like a disqualifier for a lot of People. [01:09:49] Speaker A: Interesting. Okay. Amazing. 20. You're like, she's really disappointed that she's not making. [01:09:56] Speaker B: We're trying to make her drink my sweet ginger. [01:10:00] Speaker A: Oh, what a hoot. Okay, all right, all right. Fine, fine. Good, good, good. Okay, next. Oh, my gosh. One thing every woman should stop apologizing for. [01:10:13] Speaker B: One thing every woman should stop apologizing for. That. They're late and they can't be on time. [01:10:26] Speaker A: Unpack. [01:10:28] Speaker B: Cuz. I mean, I'm late all the time just because it's a time thing. And I'm tired of hearing people blame everything on time. [01:10:37] Speaker A: Okay, all right. [01:10:38] Speaker B: I'm a culprit too, so I'll put myself in the category. [01:10:41] Speaker A: Okay, all right, we'll take that. O. We were getting closer there. We were getting closer. We're getting closer. Okay, let's reset, please. [01:10:50] Speaker B: Yeah, I think you should push the button. [01:10:51] Speaker A: Okay, I'm going to push the button. I'm going to make it harder because we're trying to make Arielle drink this ginger sauce. Okay, ready? Okay. The best piece of advice you've ever ignored. [01:11:05] Speaker B: Shoot. The best piece of advice that I've ignored. [01:11:13] Speaker A: I'm trying to admit what I would say. This piece of advice that I've ignored. [01:11:18] Speaker B: Okay, this is gonna take a minute. I know I give a lot of advice. [01:11:23] Speaker A: Ignored. [01:11:25] Speaker B: That you have to work hard to succeed. [01:11:29] Speaker A: Oh, I agree with that. [01:11:30] Speaker B: But I can't say I ignored it. I've done it. I just don't believe it anymore. [01:11:34] Speaker A: What do you said? [01:11:36] Speaker B: Work smarter, not harder. [01:11:38] Speaker A: Okay, all right, all right. We're taking a shot, though. But that was so worth it. [01:11:43] Speaker B: All right. [01:11:43] Speaker A: I hope it was worth it. That was worth it. [01:11:45] Speaker B: Cheers. [01:11:46] Speaker A: Cheers. Again. [01:11:50] Speaker B: The silver lining is that this is filled with healthy things, man. That is. [01:11:56] Speaker A: This one's like, I feel like it's like, you know. Yeah. [01:12:03] Speaker B: You mix that with some tequila and some soda. I agree. Good. [01:12:07] Speaker A: This with tequila and soda and the Mykonos outfit. Bathing suit outfit in Mykonos. [01:12:11] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:12:14] Speaker A: We will be vibing. [01:12:15] Speaker B: There we go. [01:12:16] Speaker A: Done. Done. Next summer. This is what we're doing next summer, you and I. We're rolling. The last one. The most underrated movement for overall strength. I'm gonna go sweating on you. [01:12:31] Speaker B: I don't know if it's underrated, but the plank. [01:12:34] Speaker A: Ooh, that's a good one. That's a good one. Okay. Yeah, you got it. [01:12:39] Speaker B: Yay. Hey, I'll take another sip. I actually, you know what? It's grows. It grows on you. [01:12:47] Speaker A: Right? I'm kind of liking it. It's like a vibe, you know? Mm. [01:12:54] Speaker B: You are supposed to treat it like a shot. [01:12:57] Speaker A: Are you? It's so spicy though. But it says, let's see it. [01:13:03] Speaker B: Oh. Cause there's cayenne pepper in it. [01:13:05] Speaker A: Yeah, there's cayenne. That's why it's so. I was like, wait, this is just not normal spicy, just ginger. This is like spicy spicy. Like fire breathing a little bit. [01:13:13] Speaker B: Husband would like this. [01:13:14] Speaker A: I. I'm like, I actually like it. It's a vibe. [01:13:19] Speaker B: I think that's all I can do right now. [01:13:22] Speaker A: It's a fire. Oh, my gosh. It's like fire breather. [01:13:28] Speaker B: All right, all right. [01:13:29] Speaker A: Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Now that we're all spiced up, we're going to move on to breaking down wild trends. All right. [01:13:40] Speaker B: If it's a trend, I probably won't like it. [01:13:44] Speaker A: Yeah, me too. So let's see. But let's see. I'm gonna break some of these. So this one, we scoured the gram tick tock to find these trends. This one, the 12330 workout. This is when you do a 30 minute walk on a treadmill with a 12 incline at 3 miles an hour. Do you think that this is efficient or just effectively height? [01:14:02] Speaker B: I think it's efficient. [01:14:04] Speaker A: Okay. [01:14:07] Speaker B: There's difficulty, there's intensity and duration. When you have those things, it's effective. [01:14:12] Speaker A: Okay, next one. [01:14:14] Speaker B: Three. Three miles an hour might be too fast for some people at that height. Okay. So just keep that in mind. [01:14:20] Speaker A: Yeah. You don't want to fall off. O. That would be terrible. Yeah. Shy girl workouts. I'm seeing this all the time. So this is people who maybe feel. Feel a little bit uncomfortable at the gym, have maybe social anxiety. Yeah. Going into a corner of the gym and kind of doing their own workout away from everyone else. [01:14:39] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:14:40] Speaker A: You know, focusing on movement and they feel more free to express their bodies and try different things. That's the way I understand it. Hopefully I'm not butchering that, but yeah, it's kind of ice moving to a corner to do a workout away from everyone else. I know that stuff. [01:14:56] Speaker B: Am I saying it's good or bad? [01:14:58] Speaker A: Yes. What do you think? What do you think? [01:15:00] Speaker B: I think it's great. I think whatever gets you to the gym and gets you working out. Do. Do whatever makes you feel comfortable. You don't worry about who's looking at you. I mean, I go. When I do go to a gym to work out if I have to, I always find a corner by myself and I dance like a melon And I don't pay attention to. I mean, people are walking by, they're staring. I don't care. [01:15:20] Speaker A: I love that you should, like, come on, I'm watching. [01:15:25] Speaker B: Because they're jealous and, and they're like, [01:15:26] Speaker A: oh, I want to do that. Facts. Exactly. [01:15:29] Speaker B: Like, how do I. So, yeah, do it. [01:15:30] Speaker A: You do you love it, love it, love it. This next one I'm seeing everywhere dead hangs. Is this actually adding strength or causing strain? [01:15:40] Speaker B: Like dead hangs? Just like, just hanging. [01:15:42] Speaker A: Just hanging. [01:15:44] Speaker B: Great. I hang all the time. [01:15:46] Speaker A: Do you really? Yeah. When do you do it? [01:15:48] Speaker B: Mainly when I'm at the playground with my kids. Oh, do you. And I find something because I feel like. And then, yeah, hanging is really good for you. Yeah, we don't do enough hanging. [01:15:58] Speaker A: Yes. [01:15:59] Speaker B: If you like, strengthen your. In your upper back. [01:16:03] Speaker A: Okay. Okay. [01:16:03] Speaker B: So like, if you wish to learn to do a pull up, like, I can't do a pull up right now either. You have to start with hanging and you have to start working the muscles. It helps with shoulder flexibility and it's a nice stretch. So I say, yeah, do that. [01:16:18] Speaker A: Intense. Okay, this last 1, 3, 2, 1. Workout method. So this is a weekly split that includes three days of strength training, two days of Pilates, and one day of cardio. Is that smart balance or basically over training? [01:16:32] Speaker B: Is that like a set routine? [01:16:39] Speaker A: That's my understanding from TikTok that, you know, I've seen a few influencers and they're like, okay, this is what I do. I, I do three days of strength training, two days I'm at a Pilates class doing reformer mega form or whatever it may be, and then one day I'm doing cardio. [01:16:54] Speaker B: I say don't follow that just blindly. I think that you need to figure out what you're missing in your workout routine. So here's the thing is never follow. I don't advise people to just follow those kinds of workouts blindly. Meaning, like expecting that you're going to get the same result as that person. Hey, it'll get you moving, it's getting you lifting. There are benefits to that. I'm not saying that there's definitely benefits to that, but already I can hear in that specific routine is unbalanced. And so I think that it's more important to do a balance of workouts based on what's individual needs. [01:17:40] Speaker A: Yeah, I love that. Love it. I love it. We're going to do next is we're going to jump down our Reddit rabbit hole. So let's go deep into the Reddit Today we have scoured Reddit to find some questions to ask you. So okay, let me ask you this one. So this was in the self care subreddit. So this person said, did you have a daily routine for burnout or mental health recoveries? And I want to go back, go on to read the rest of it. So in the last few months I've had to leave my job to manage my health, namely pretty bad depression, fatigue and burnout. I finally started to engage in some crafting self care activities again, but I'm feeling very scattered. I think it's possibly because I have a bunch of things that I can potter away at, but no real daily or weekly routine or goal. Has anyone here care had a period of time off of work in recovery mode? And did you have a set daily routine that has helped you navigate this? Curious. Burnout recovery. [01:18:40] Speaker B: Burnout recovery. So what's the, what's the actual question? [01:18:44] Speaker A: This, the person's wondering, you know, did you or do you have a daily routine for burnout and mental health recovery? [01:18:52] Speaker B: Yeah, I would say, I mean I have a daily routine and I think it helps mental health. I would say my routine is meditation, some form of movement in nature. [01:19:09] Speaker A: Me too. [01:19:11] Speaker B: And nourishing your body with good food, like nutritious food, not junk. [01:19:17] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:19:18] Speaker B: So I mean that's a start. [01:19:22] Speaker A: Great, I love that. Love it, love it. [01:19:24] Speaker B: This next one, this was in a [01:19:26] Speaker A: subreddit that's the ask women over 30 subreddit. So this is more of a macro question about health. And I want to ask you this. What should women do differently in their 30s with respect to their health? So this person goes on to say, hey ladies, I'll be 32 very soon and I want to learn from you, you all about health care, physical and mental for women in their their 30s. So they have like multi multiple questions in one. Okay, so what is one thing you wish all women start. [01:19:55] Speaker B: Stop. [01:19:55] Speaker A: Continue doing for their health? How different is the health care for women in their 20s versus in their 30s? Any regrets when it comes to your health care? Any advice that you can give me? Person asking for all the information? [01:20:11] Speaker B: I think there's too much emphasis on age. [01:20:15] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:20:16] Speaker B: I think that if you're someone who is needing to incorporate exercise and healthy eating into your life, it doesn't matter what age you are, you should be doing that no matter how old you are. The other thing is time. I think your time constraints change as you get older. So that is the one thing that I do think changes. So you know, time that you have in your 20s is not the same that you have your 30s and definitely in your 40s. And then it changes again when. If you have an empty nest and, you know, you get some of your time back, but there's this ebb and flow of the time you have available to you. And I think people need to be really conscious of what that looks like. [01:20:58] Speaker A: Love it. Love it. [01:20:59] Speaker B: Did that make any sense? [01:21:00] Speaker A: That totally makes sense. [01:21:01] Speaker B: I agree. [01:21:01] Speaker A: I would have to say the same thing. I feel like, you know, going into 40 now, you know, there was so much fear, like, oh, my God, you're [01:21:10] Speaker B: gonna get old and you're not gonna [01:21:12] Speaker A: be able to move and your joints are gonna. And I agree. I think that it's more about figuring out time and figuring out, for me, it's been an adjustment of what do I need to do. [01:21:21] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:21:22] Speaker A: To keep my strength up, to keep my energy up. And like, I'm trying to frame it more in that way versus, like, oh, [01:21:30] Speaker B: and the other thing I'll add to that is come up with a routine that, you know, you can stick to, not compared to somebody else. Because if you can't stick to it, you're not going to be consistent and you're going to stick with it, and then that cycle begins. [01:21:43] Speaker A: Agreed. [01:21:43] Speaker B: And then the other caveat to the whole age thing is, like you, it's been scientifically proven that you can be your healthiest self in your 50s than you were. Compared to what, your healthy self? Well, you can be healthier in your 50s and more of your 20s, right? [01:21:59] Speaker A: Biologically, yeah. [01:22:01] Speaker B: So again, I think it's like the age thing doesn't matter as much as, like, what you're doing with your time. [01:22:08] Speaker A: Agree. I couldn't agree more. I'm going to ask you this last one. Another rabbit hole. So this is another one in wellness over 30. So this person says, discussion problems with the current wellness industry. And they go on to say, hey, all, I'm currently working on a wellness reaction research project and would love to hear your opinions on the following questions. This is another one that had multiple questions. You're welcome to answer as many as you'd like. So the first one is, what is your problem? Pain point. With the current wellness trends at brands and influencers, is there anything you'd like to see less of? If you could change one thing about it, what would it be? And the person says, I'll go first. I feel like the wellness industry has become more about others and less about yourself. It's more like, see how much I do to be well, bet you can't afford it or you can't do it. I see so much content revolving around the over consumption of wellness products and activities which makes wellness seem like a thing for the privileged few. This one, I was, I was like, ooh, this is a, you know, really profound one because yeah, I would love your thoughts on this. [01:23:15] Speaker B: My initial thought is that there's like answering the first question is that there's a lot of what I call wellness vomit out there and you always, you have to consider the source of what you're consuming. I mean I am blown away by the amount of like fitness content that's out there. That is just kudos to those that are doing it. Fine, whatever. But you know, they're doing, they're showing you what's working for them. And if you see a tall, thin, 24 year old, 25 year old demonstrating exercises and like this seemingly perfect body, I think that's completely unrealistic and you know, it might not get you to where you want to be. So consider your source and there's a lot of science out there that, that shows you what's effective and what's not. Definitely seek out the people that have been in the space for a while and who are knowledgeable and who have some type of credential to back that up. That's my advice. What were the other questions? This is also saying what's the problem? [01:24:33] Speaker A: And there's anything you'd like to see less, less of too. What do you think of the problem with the wellness? [01:24:39] Speaker B: I just want to see less of this. Like these quick video reels that you see all over the place. Kind of like that tick tock style of like the whole narration of like this is what I do and da da da. I just find that to be really toxic in a way because you're promoting this like comparison value of like look what I can do. At least some of the things that like cross my feet. I'm like why is this being shown to me? Like I don't, I don't want to see that person doing that. And sometimes it is often in the form of, in some seemingly luxurious environment and that can make people feel really bad. Like I just don't believe in that. And I think there, there's always something you can do no matter where you are or and what you have. I think in terms of your body and your wellness, you're in control of it. You're in control of how you move it, you're in control of what you put inside It. So if you control those things, it doesn't matter. [01:25:40] Speaker A: Right. Exactly. Exactly. You know, I'll say I'm gonna do. I'm gonna, like, play devil's advocate on one part and then, like, agree with you on another part. Cause I actually feel conflicted. [01:25:52] Speaker B: Okay. [01:25:52] Speaker A: There's times that I've had that content come across. [01:25:54] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:25:55] Speaker A: Where it's really helpful and applicable. Like, someone's like, you know, And I would say actually it's more of the, like, raw, gritty content where the person's like, this is the. You know, this is like, phone to face my real life. And I'm. I'm doing the thing. [01:26:08] Speaker B: More reality. Yeah, more. [01:26:10] Speaker A: Yeah, more reality based. And then there's the. So that's great. Then they're the ones I'm like, yo, come on. Like, you're in, like, you know, I mean, you're, like, embalming and like a, like, crazy hotel, and you're like, you know, And I'm just. I'm like, this is not really. It's not helping me. [01:26:29] Speaker B: You know, it's not moving. [01:26:30] Speaker A: It's not motivating me. Exactly. Exactly. Like, those are my. My spidey senses are, you know, up in the eyebrows racing. But anyway. [01:26:37] Speaker B: Yes. Okay. [01:26:39] Speaker A: That's my. That's my hot take. That's my hot take. [01:26:43] Speaker B: Love it. [01:26:43] Speaker A: We're gonna jump out of the red or rabbit hole, and we're gonna go into what's in the bag. You guys know how much I love this segment. We are gonna have Ariel pull out her handy dandy bag that she brought, which is a stunning bag, and she's gonna show us what is in her bag. Where is this. Do you. Where is this bag from? [01:27:02] Speaker B: You know, it was. It was an impulse buy, and I don't know the exact store, so. But so beautiful. I was in Malibu. We were at the beach with my family, and then we went to some local grocery store, and it was in the grocery store, and I was like. Of, like this bag, and it was, like, handmade. [01:27:19] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:27:20] Speaker B: It's just one of those. And I literally take it everywhere. [01:27:23] Speaker A: I love it. [01:27:23] Speaker B: It's, like, sturdy. [01:27:24] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:27:25] Speaker B: You know, I don't know if you want to know what's in. It's kind of fun. No, we're excited. [01:27:29] Speaker A: Keep in mind, I got kids. You fired up. We're excited. I always love to see what's in people's bags because it's just so. It's so interesting. [01:27:35] Speaker B: You know, I got my computer, little book there. Do you want me to actually pull it all out. [01:27:41] Speaker A: Yes, yes. You can hand things to me too. One. [01:27:44] Speaker B: Okay. This is a cool case. I've had this one for years. [01:27:48] Speaker A: The mastic air is key, I feel like because I have a pro and the air is so much more. [01:27:53] Speaker B: Oh, I love Paris. [01:27:54] Speaker A: We're only manifesting cuz it's so much smaller. It can fit into a bag or [01:27:58] Speaker B: a purse, which is. You're going to love this. Diapers. [01:28:00] Speaker A: Oh, my [01:28:05] Speaker B: ten signs. [01:28:05] Speaker A: You have kids who are under two. [01:28:08] Speaker B: Ooh, beautiful. [01:28:10] Speaker A: Oh, Burt's bees. Okay. I love it. [01:28:14] Speaker B: Okay, I got a couple toys. [01:28:16] Speaker A: Oh my gosh. [01:28:17] Speaker B: My daughter likes. [01:28:18] Speaker A: This is so cute. [01:28:19] Speaker B: My son likes the motorcycle. [01:28:21] Speaker A: Oh my God. This makes me so happy. [01:28:24] Speaker B: Okay, wait, let's go to a snack bag. Snack bag. [01:28:27] Speaker A: Okay, snack bag. So there's a separate snack bag. This first bees is like a beautiful beef sticks. Oh, you carry beef sticks everywhere, do [01:28:35] Speaker B: you James Star feet. We. These are. I'll do a little promo. These are Paleo Valley. [01:28:41] Speaker A: I keep hearing about Paleo Valley. [01:28:42] Speaker B: Very good. Do you do the subscription box? Oh, yeah. [01:28:45] Speaker A: You do. Okay. See, you're like the fourth person that's told me about the Paleo Valley subscription. [01:28:50] Speaker B: My son loves these. Okay. My daughter. And he's a pretty good eater. He's pretty experimental. My daughter is not. So that's interesting. But she'll eat these. So like she's definitely like loves pasta and the carbs and cheese and all that stuff, which is fine. But I think she's also in a phase where she wants to do everything her brother does. And so I have to carry two of everything. [01:29:15] Speaker A: So cute. [01:29:17] Speaker B: These are good. [01:29:19] Speaker A: Munching on the beef stick. [01:29:22] Speaker B: Once Upon a Farm bars. Jennifer Garner's company. It's quite good, I will say. I. [01:29:32] Speaker A: Animals on the bus. [01:29:33] Speaker B: Peanuts. [01:29:34] Speaker A: Oh my God, I feel like so many. I have nuts in my bag all the time. Like so many guests pull out like nuts and snacks. [01:29:40] Speaker B: Nuts and jerky. [01:29:41] Speaker A: Nuts and jerky. Done. You're. You got the food prepped? [01:29:45] Speaker B: Yeah, I think it's just a mish mosh of every like snacks in there. [01:29:49] Speaker A: Oh my God. [01:29:50] Speaker B: Sunglasses daughter. [01:29:52] Speaker A: So cute. Oh, those are so cool. Oh my gosh. She's a little girl to have have like the heart shaped. [01:30:00] Speaker B: More beef sticks. I'm telling you, I've got some beef sticks. [01:30:03] Speaker A: Huh. [01:30:04] Speaker B: And that's pretty much it. I mean I do have a little. Some snack cookies. Oh yeah. [01:30:08] Speaker A: These are animal crackers. [01:30:10] Speaker B: They like them. [01:30:11] Speaker A: Oh, these are so cute. [01:30:15] Speaker B: And coloring book. Is this like the Mary Poppins bag where I Just keep pulling. You never know somewhere and I got to entertain them. [01:30:27] Speaker A: Oh my gosh. [01:30:28] Speaker B: Bubbles. [01:30:29] Speaker A: This is so cute. Can I open these? Can I like. I don't want some bubbles. [01:30:36] Speaker B: Girl on camera. You do it. [01:30:37] Speaker A: I haven't played with these since I was. [01:30:40] Speaker B: I'll spare everyone. [01:30:41] Speaker A: Probably like, you know, a kid. Oh my gosh. I'm so excited about this. Oh my gosh. [01:30:49] Speaker B: Get in there. Oh, no, you can do it. [01:30:51] Speaker A: I can do it. [01:30:53] Speaker B: Oh, there we go. [01:30:54] Speaker A: Yay. [01:30:56] Speaker B: Bubbles are just happy, aren't they? [01:30:58] Speaker A: Yeah. I feel like more adults need bubbles. [01:31:00] Speaker B: I agree. [01:31:00] Speaker A: We need to just, you know, I think we need to start handing them out. [01:31:03] Speaker B: Oh my God. So that's my bag. [01:31:06] Speaker A: I love it. Thank you so much. All right, I have all this goodies. Toss it back in. [01:31:14] Speaker B: This bag is amazing. So I can just style everything. [01:31:17] Speaker A: You've got snack, you know, you've got toys. I've got. You've got your own beauty products. This is a good. This is with shimmer too. [01:31:27] Speaker B: And I think that all the. [01:31:30] Speaker A: Oh my gosh. I love it. I love all the snacks. [01:31:32] Speaker B: Keep a be stick I have in here. [01:31:35] Speaker A: Can I try it now? I'm like so curious. Okay, sorry, sorry. Ariel's kids that I like stole one [01:31:41] Speaker B: of just so keep hearing about these [01:31:45] Speaker A: Paleo valley V sticks and everyone stares by them. [01:31:50] Speaker B: They're really great. [01:31:50] Speaker A: And we're going to try this on camera. Okay. If I can open it today. Let's see. [01:31:55] Speaker B: Do you need some help? [01:31:56] Speaker A: I might. [01:31:56] Speaker B: Wait. [01:31:57] Speaker A: No, I got it, I got it, I got it. I was like, this can't be the second time in the row that I can't open. Let's see. Oh my gosh. I bet your kids just open these easily. All right, let's. Oh, it smells nice. It smells like a ter. You know, like night. Okay. [01:32:16] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:32:16] Speaker A: I'm like, oh, it's so good. [01:32:22] Speaker B: Yeah, these are good. They are good. [01:32:24] Speaker A: Good. I'm glad you're. You know what? The only reason I was nervous cuz I don't really like these. Like I've had. [01:32:30] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:32:30] Speaker A: And I think I'm scarred from Slim Jims as a kid. [01:32:33] Speaker B: Oh yeah. Those are so nasty. This tastes like a delicious sausage. [01:32:40] Speaker A: Oh, my gosh. Okay, Arielle, before we go, where can we find you online and what are you working on? [01:32:52] Speaker B: Oh, wow. You can find me at my website, arielhoffman.com. you can grab a quick guide that I have available. Quick resource. I also have a resource, a free resource page of some of the things that I spoke about here. Today and just how to get you on track and started with better nutrition and working in some exercise. You find me on Instagram. What's my handle? Will X Ariel Hoffman. [01:33:25] Speaker A: Perfect. We'll link up to that. [01:33:27] Speaker B: Yeah, I did take a social media hiatus, you, you know, kids and everything. But I'm starting to creep back in there on my own terms and following all that. And then you can also get on a wait list for my new program that's going to be coming out. It's called the Energy Reset. At least right now that's the title. And it's a self guided program that you can do. It's eight weeks and it has all of my golden nuggets of tools that can help people eat better, move more and feel better and get their energy back and just have sustainable energy because I think that's what we need and I think that's it for now. [01:34:09] Speaker A: Yeah, we'll link up to all of the things. Super excited about your Energy Reset program [01:34:13] Speaker B: and I'm really excited for that. That's going to be great. Kind of my baby. And it's basically a compilation of my work over the last decade, basically. [01:34:24] Speaker A: Congratulations. [01:34:24] Speaker B: Thank you. [01:34:25] Speaker A: We'll, we'll link it up and we'll send it out to all the, well, zesters. [01:34:28] Speaker B: All right. Awesome. [01:34:29] Speaker A: Amazing. Thank you, Ariel for coming on. It's been such a joy. [01:34:33] Speaker B: Such a joy. [01:34:34] Speaker A: So much fun. I can't even. We have to do this again sometimes. Thank you. [01:34:38] Speaker B: Anytime. [01:34:38] Speaker A: Thank you. Bye till next time, everyone. [01:34:41] Speaker B: Bye.